r/PoursTea Timendi Causa Est Nescire 10h ago

PoliticalTea 🗳️ I completely agree...

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u/Buddhas_Warrior 10h ago

Great, when can we start??

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u/TorumShardal 9h ago

As soon as enough states ratify National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, or NaPoVoInterCo for short.

Started in 2006, has 222 votes from 270 required.

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u/bittersterling 9h ago

Wow, idk how I could function without that shortened version! Thanks 🙏

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u/Reformed_Hillbilly 9h ago

It just rolls off the tongue... Na po vo inter co!

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u/ruat_caelum 8h ago

It's like WWW's 6 syllables being shorted than saying the 3 in "world wide web"

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u/Abducted_Llama 7h ago

Isn’t WWW 9 syllables or am I clapping wrong ?

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u/Dicky_Penisburg 7h ago

It's 6 if you're southern

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u/Namedthisone 7h ago

Dubya? Like George W

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u/RaspingYeti 7h ago

dubya dubya dubya. yup checks out! source from the TN valley area

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u/jordon4ca93 6h ago

I just realized that at one point I had to be taught how to clap. I honestly don't know how I feel about that.

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u/ipomopur 4h ago

I thought I knew how to clap until I took a flamenco class; turns out there's clapping, and then there's clapping

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u/Reformed_Hillbilly 8h ago

This might be the least efficient verbalized initialism in the world

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u/CocktailPerson 6h ago

That's a silly statement because nobody verbalizes the initialism in isolation. People only say the letters when they're dictating a web address, and what they're dictating is the actual letters.

In real life people just say "the web" or "the internet."

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u/Reformed_Hillbilly 4h ago

In the earlier internet days, it was common to say the www when directing someone to a website. Both in advertisements and in personal discussion.

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u/Pooperoni_Pizza 4h ago

Dub dub dub gang

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u/Remarkable_Ease_7607 9h ago

I feel like if you have to use that many syllables you should just say the words

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u/Reformed_Hillbilly 9h ago

It's like the people who say "El Oh Tee Arr" instead of "Lord of the Rings"

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u/jaxonya 8h ago

My son asked me if ive seen fnaf 2 a while back. Didnt say the letters, he just said fnaf as if it were a real word. I was fucking puzzeled and kept asking him what he was talking about. He finally rolled his eyes and said "five nights at freddys" 2 ...hwhat in the fuck, boy.

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u/DontAskAboutMyButt 8h ago

“Fnaf” is how all the streamers say it so that’s how Gen Alpha says it too 😂

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u/jaxonya 8h ago

Oh. At least he isnt weird. Well, not to his gen he isnt.

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u/Horskr 8h ago

Should ask him why not just say "fnaft" instead of pronouncing the 2 if it we're going that route lol. Fnaf and the sequel, fnanft.

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u/LessInThought 7h ago

As the dad, you have a moral obligation to fix that boy.

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u/Reformed_Hillbilly 8h ago

"Ffnaff"? Eff that noise.

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u/KIokinator 8h ago

You may not know this, but IRL many people say "Lotor" like the word "Motor" which stands for LOTR which stands for Lord of the Rings.

So either Lord of the Rings, or L-O-T-R, or "Lotor".

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u/L1V1NGD3ADBOI 9h ago

What is this the IT Crowd? lol

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u/LostN3ko 9h ago

Hello computer.

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u/ThesisTears 9h ago

Omg PLEASE keep spreading the word!!! This is the singlar path forward in my opinion. I won't shut up about it and neither should anyone else!!!

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u/PickleRickleTV 4h ago

Ranked choice voting or at least doing away with first past the post voting is much more reasonable and another path forward.

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u/YangKoete 8h ago

And now to watch CGP Grey again.

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u/TomT060404 7h ago

I'm sure the Republicans will sue if it happens. The current Supreme Court will take their side.

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u/wylderk 7h ago

And then wins the inevitable SCOTUS case. Fed gov tends to look poorly on intentionally circumventing federal law.

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u/Darixindur 6h ago

Technically this won't change the electoral college... that pact is states saying they will change how that state casts its votes for the electoral college, to who ever wins the popular vote (which may mean that a candidate could win the majority in that state, but if that differs from the national popular vote, the electoral college votes go to the other candidate). The 270 number is the number of votes that the pact is trying to get to, before they agree to change it in those states. So as an example 209 of the electoral college votes last election for Kamala Harris would have gone to Trump in the last Election, due to the 17 states that currently agree to the pact were one by Harris, but would have been obligated to use there electoral college votes for the national popular vote winner, which this last Election was Trump. Personally I feel that this is unnecessary, because out of the 60 presidential elections, only 4 times the electoral college and popular vote did not have the same outcome. But, it is up to each state decides how they cast their electoral college votes. A more interesting question will be the arguments about the NPVIC is constitutional or not. Is it within the state powers to use the national voting for their electoral college votes? Or should those electoral college votes only reflect what happens in that state?

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u/jbland0909 9h ago

When we have a democratic super majority in the house and senate. That’s the only way it ever happens

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u/TurtleIIX 9h ago

2/3 of states can also just choose to send all of their electoral votes to whoever wins the popular vote. Really the only viable option. That still will not happen though.

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u/BebopT0716 9h ago

Democrats have proven to be dickless even when they have a super majority, so I wouldn’t count on it.

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u/DeprecationWarning 9h ago

Democrats have not held a supermajority [in Congress] since 1967

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u/ActivePeace33 9h ago

To deal with our current major issue: the MAGA insurrection, they didn’t need one. All Biden had to do was order for MAGA to be suppressed and we could have averted Trump and all the other MAGA traitors usurping their respective offices, in violation of the 14a.

But Biden sat in his hands and did basically nothing.

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u/MilkiestMaestro 9h ago

But you're still going to vote for them because the alternative is orange julius and his ilk forever, right?

Because I feel like this sentiment comes out every election year and we sure are pretty close to November

And because I can foresee the peanut gallery chiming in, I'm aware it's not a presidential election year. It's even more important, congressional seats. Seats we desperately need in order to do anything about the aforementioned problem.

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u/jce_ 8h ago

Don't let perfection be the enemy of progress, but still Americans need a whole new electoral system. FPTP and years of propeganda got you here. I think MMP would be a great system in America but there is 0 chance your politicians ever switch to that.

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u/alexthebeast 7h ago

Mmp would be great

The dissolution of the dnc and rnc and creation of at least 5 parties out of the two and then implementing a combination of mmo and ranked choice would probably be the best version of election that i can imagine

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u/AlwaysVerloren 7h ago

Popularity by populous Popularity by my niche friendemies?

Well Dave, if you have to do the math, you don't have friends and your enemies want to end you.

VOTE MAYOR PETE TO HAPPIFY OUR NATION

or you know, to eliminate all the DTAI bullshite.

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u/Prudent_Shake_8149 10h ago

Trump agreed…

…up to the point that it put him in office.

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u/DiddyDoItToYa 9h ago

He didnt win the pop vote the first time funny enough lol

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u/downsideup9494 9h ago

He's only won against women. He couldn't beat a male opponent. So much for being a big strong macho man.

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u/Artistic_Rice_9019 5h ago

Anyone would have beat him in 2020. Gender is irrelevant. And he would have beat Biden in a rematch. We all saw that debate.

He only wins when the electorate forgets how awful he is.

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u/ThoriatedFlash 9h ago

He also didn't even get 50% of the popular vote last time. More people wanted someone other than trump to win.

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u/_jump_yossarian 8h ago

The idiot sent that out thinking that Mitt had won the popular vote (Obama beat him by 5 million votes).

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u/Nukemiller84 8h ago

It's like he has been a Democrat his entire life or something. Oh wait.

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u/milkyjoe241 9h ago

Im pretty sure more of them have brain worms than we know of

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u/OdiousAltRightBalrog 7h ago

The loser one!

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u/Longjumping-Pop9374 10h ago

Yes! because then politicians would actually have to run on popular policy not just stupid culture war bs. Then the filibuster

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u/Tyfoid-Kid 10h ago

And they’d have to campaign somewhere besides the battleground states.

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u/SwagarTheHorrible 8h ago

But how are these old men gonna be in so many places at once? They have nap time!

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u/1776boogapew 9h ago

Because they all follow their campaign promises so well… I’d rather see a method to holding them to what they run on, some sort of contract.

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u/TheLastBaboon 7h ago

I’m not against it but I think we’d need required primary and secondary education even beyond on our political system and unbiased current events to make it truly work. Educate to vote less promises because they often never happen and educate to vote more for the person and what they have been able to do in line with your ideal of policy.

Also, probably needs a bigger focus on the mistakes our country has made and the attempts to fix them.

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u/DinosaurDied 10h ago

“Noooo, but then my vote in rural Pennsylvania won’t matter >:(“

Yea well the rest of us living everywhere else besides those 7 battleground states have votes that don’t matter. 

I’ve lived all over this country and really always wanted thr same thing and it pisses me off that my vote only matters when I lived in certain areas 

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u/Ok-Appointment-6116 10h ago

I’d live in hell, if my vote helps to eliminate Dump and MAGA! (I about live in Hell!I live in Texas!

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u/Complex_Arrival7968 9h ago

You poor devil! My niece lives there and lives for the day when she and her husband can move.

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u/Inner_Adeptness_7228 9h ago

LOL so real its like 95°

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u/Butwhatif77 9h ago

I always laugh at how people mention how "but then less populated states would get ignored" as if they don't already. When was the last time a presidential candidate campaigned in fucking Montana or Alaska. The very issue the Electoral College was supposed to address, happened anyway just worse than expected

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u/LongJohnSelenium 8h ago

The electoral college was meant to keep virginia from dominating politics.

The original states were far more independent and the constitution as written, still written in fact even if not as currently interpreted, wildly restricts the federal government. The smaller states, as a condition of giving up part of their sovereignty, demanded safeguards against being dominated into irrelevance by larger political entities. Thus the senate and electoral college.

Basically the US is supposed to be structured a lot more like the EU currently is.

Well that was the reason for the weighted votes. The reason for the electors is of course that, again, constitutionally, people are supposed to vote for electors and the electors vote for a president, precisely because they felt people would elect a populist demagogue if left to their own devices.

TLDR: Nothing is working like its supposed to work and thats causing all sorts of problems like people wanting to end the electoral college because the federal government has so much influence over their lives when it shouldn't.

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u/Thebeardinato462 10h ago

It would matter just as much as everyone else’s vote. Depending on how someone votes in rural Pennsylvania their vote does t matter now.

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u/TheWolphman 9h ago

That's how I feel as a blue voter in South Carolina. I'm in my forties and this state has been red for longer than I've been alive.

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u/blahblah19999 9h ago

“Noooo, but then my vote in rural Pennsylvania won’t matter >:(“

No, it's literally the opposite. Under the EC, their vote doesn't matter. Under a popular vote, literally every single vote from the bluest part of NYC, to the most remote tent in Alaska matters.

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u/DinosaurDied 8h ago

(The secret is that they want their vote to matter way more Than anybody else’s and they won’t give that up) 

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u/kingjoey52a 7h ago

Pennsylvania has been a swing state the last few election so their vote does matter.

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u/TotallyNotRobotEvil 6h ago

Yeah, but the problem is they will never win an election again. It's why conservatives are so against any form of democracy. They have names for it like "mob rule". If it were up to them no blue state, city, woman or minority would be allowed to vote.

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u/Flimsy_Pack_936 10h ago

Penn would still matter to be fair

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u/Ok_Hornet_714 9h ago

Pennsylvania would matter but it would also make it so that the Republican candidate would need to appeal to voters in California, and the Democratic candidate to voters in Texas, instead of them basically just looping between Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina,etc.

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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 9h ago

Exactly. We let the same half dozen states choose who the President will be every time.

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u/Clcummings614 9h ago

You’re in a large state. Your vote gets diluted by the smaller states. You get attention because you’re a swing state. I do think that the party platforms would be different if they had to appeal across the entire country.

Today, the swing states are the only ones that truly see any candidates campaign. Florida, NY, CA and some big red states only get visits for fundraising but not campaigning.

When’s the last time a dem or republican went to Des Moines to campaign? A dem could go to get some voters to show up for him. My district is terribly gerrymandered and my state is largely red. Probably 2/3 of the elections I participated in as an adult were meaningless. No hope for prez and Rep. a little more competitive for senate but not much. It wouldn’t have mattered if u have voted or not. No electoral college and my vote truly would count for prez.

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u/EvilCorp____ 10h ago

Pennsylvania is the 5th most populous state.

The reason we use the electoral college is so that a candidate can't just appease California, New York, Pennsylvania, and Illinois and tell the rest of the country to f*** off. Or just ignore them all together.

At least that was the idea. (Although I think it was New York and Virginia that were the powerhouses back then)

(I agree though we should definitely use the popular vote).

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u/edebt 10h ago

Instead they just focus on the swing states, so it didn't fix anything, just put the power in the hands of a different group.

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u/binzy90 9h ago

Honestly, I never understood the whole concept. A candidate in any other election would prioritize large, populous areas regardless of what office they were running for. Like is someone in the back woods of West Virginia mad that their local county commissioner had a round table at a local school auditorium instead of driving out to the middle of nowhere to meet them? Probably not. But for some reason we act like a presidential candidate appealing to populous states is a bad thing.

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u/Infamous-Employ5487 7h ago

I literally don't want their rural bumfuck vote to matter at this point.

Listening to the stupidest among us is what brought us here. These people NEED to be disenfranchised.

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u/Obvious-Muffin2787 10h ago

One person, one vote. This isn't radical, people.

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u/Stock-Map3715 10h ago

I wanted that since I first heard about the electoral college when I was 8 in 1968. It’s not an idea that Pete came up with that nobody else ever thought about.

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u/QwertyIGuess 9h ago

I mean it was first thought of when they were writing the constitution. The less populated states said "Naw, I don't think we want to join this new country if thats how its gonna work." They countered with giving every state equal votes for president.

The more populated states said "Naw, I don't think we want to join this new country if thats how its gonna work." Everyone grumbled and grumbled and then someone said what if we do both and that how you get the compromise of the Electoral College.

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u/Fun_Performer_7930 10h ago edited 9h ago

Republicans would never win another election.....I'm in!

Edit: "NEVER WIN ANOTHER". Meaning "going forward". I really don't wanna keep typing this out to bots.

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u/BigBoyYuyuh 9h ago

Trump won the popular vote last election…America is a failed country.

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u/KtotheC99 9h ago

A lot of people dont vote in non-swing states because their 'vote doesnt matter' for the general election. This would increase participation across the board which would (if data is accurate) support democratic candidates overall.

Additionally, it could help 3rd parties become more viable as well

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u/LongJohnSelenium 8h ago

That works for both sides though.

In practice, while dems usually enjoy a slight numerical advantage, reps actually make it to the polls more frequently so it tends to balance out.

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u/cocineroylibro 7h ago

Election day should be a national holiday, AND there should be more widespread vote by mail.

Republicans work to disenfranchise voters legally (ID to vote, etc.) and also make it harder to vote by closing voting stations, limiting hours, etc. Republicans make it to the polls more frequently because they tend to be retired, better off financially, and any red area is teeming with voting places.

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u/Federal-Piglet 9h ago

More Americans didn't vote then voted for Kamala and Trump combined...

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u/Ok-Boomer-4414 9h ago

It’s not that simple. Trump won popular vote in 2024. Republicans won popular vote for house in 2022 and 2024. It will certainly change in 2026 but Democrats are currently the voting minority

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u/True_Protection6842 9h ago

Well that's the problem. Republicans would essentially be eliminated in all the but the reddest bible belt states. That's not representation. It's basically what republicans want for themsevles by gerrymandering and cheating.

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u/TheTwiggsMGW 9h ago

I don’t see how that’s a bad thing, though. If the majority of people don’t align republican, then the party shouldn’t exist. A new party would emerge to fill the void, because not everyone aligns with Dems either. They’re just the better option of the two available.

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u/AbeRego 8h ago

Precisely. How do people still not understand this? We weren't handed Republicans and Democrats when the country was founded; they literally didn't exist. George Washington himself famously despided parties, and didn't think they should exist. History has justified him.

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u/blahblah19999 9h ago

Only for president.

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u/linds360 9h ago

Or they’d learn real quick that appeasing a billionaire and appeasing a middle class person equals the same number of votes.

And there are a fuckton more middle class people.

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u/dogchasecat 9h ago

Only if it's rank choice voting.

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u/Perfect_Toe_6526 10h ago

Actually, the president should not have unilateral power to mess up the things

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u/Lithl 9h ago

The president doesn't have such power. But they do have the bully pulpit, which can help sway opinions in Congress and in state legislatures.

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u/ku1185 9h ago

These crazy democrats trying to bring democracy to our democracy are going to destroy our democracy.

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u/richardcraniumIII 7h ago

If the United States saw what the United States is doing in the United States, the United States would invade the United States to liberate the United States.

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u/rudimentary_rudy 10h ago

I just nutted at the thought

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u/CaptCaCa 10h ago

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u/Adventurous_Coach731 10h ago

That’s the reverse of what he sounded like when he nutted

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u/DanimalHarambe 10h ago

You mean like an "election"? All Republicans voted against the immediate end of gerrymandering. They are feeding us to ourselves.

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u/binzersguy 10h ago

How do we help make it happen? Vote out Republicans? I’m on board!

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u/SuspiciousNorth377 9h ago

I have hated the electoral college ever since Gore ran for President.

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u/Rushman_1959gto 10h ago

Totally agree.

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u/Defiant_Freedom_249 9h ago

One person equaling one vote couldn't be more fair.

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u/37Philly 9h ago

This should be top 3 on Dems agenda moving forward.

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u/QuailDifficult8470 9h ago

You can stop, I’m already a Pete fan.

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u/supercleverid 10h ago

He's right.

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u/gluepet2074 10h ago

I agree - convince me otherwise

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u/Lando_0 10h ago

I believe voter registration is a scam and everyone with a ss# should use that to vote. I believe that election days should be granted by employers to make sure all people vote.

Edit: schools too for all 18y/o’s

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u/TAU_equals_2PI 9h ago

Every school I know of already does this, because they use the schools as voting locations. Public schools, anyway. Other than private schools and that one state where all voting is done by mail, I don't know of any schools that aren't closed on election day. Unless you meant colleges.

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u/Lando_0 9h ago

That’s pretty great! How about employers? I guess my overall point is that if the federal gov really wanted the masses to vote it would make registration automatic like selective service and election days would be more important.

Edit: spelling.

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u/richardcraniumIII 7h ago

Some countries penalize people if they don't vote.

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u/7Obituario7 9h ago

This is how it should be but it will never be like this, otherwise republicans would never win again.

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u/desmond609 9h ago

People vote....... dirt doesn't. 1 person 1 vote. Simple as that.

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u/Kelvininin 9h ago

That’s how it should be, land should not vote.

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u/Gemstyle96 9h ago

I think repealing the Reapportionment Act of 1929 would be a better start

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u/Werewolf_Busy 9h ago

Anybody who claims to love democracy and the will of the people approves of this. Everyone else is either institutionalized or profit off the current system. Those people need to be moved.

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u/Fluffy-Salamander568 9h ago

This is the way

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u/SnooEagles4121 9h ago

Every time a conservative tries to defend the electoral college to me I point out that the state with the most registered Republicans is California.

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u/ThoriatedFlash 9h ago

Give us some ranked-choice voting while you're at it.

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u/broforce 8h ago

Yeah I get pretty much yelled at every time I bring this up. Wouldn't a popular vote election mean more? I don't see the downside from this

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u/littledingo 8h ago

I live in a deeply red state. I would love for my vote to actually matter. My state hasn't voted for a democrat since well before I was even born, and I am 40.

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u/FineScratch 8h ago

The Electoral College is a relic of the nation's slavekeeping days.

The more you know.

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u/Ok-Scale-2559 8h ago

How about rank choice voting so the politicians actually have to work together

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u/AbeRego 8h ago

I think most Americans agree.

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u/onimush115 8h ago

He's not the only one. Put me down for one of those fair elections too!

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u/FantomVibrations 8h ago

This dude NEEDS to be our president

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u/East-Inevitable-3974 8h ago

We should eliminate Gerrymandering too. Just let a computer break states up into shortest perimeter districts and be done with it.

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u/ShaperLord777 7h ago

God damn right. While you’re at it, ban PAC’s too.

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u/Pristine_Frame_2066 2h ago

Yes.

And ranked choice voting ftw!!!

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u/kollmastee 10h ago

I’m down. Next make voting compulsory

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u/Tyfoid-Kid 10h ago

And have 3 days for voting and make it a holiday.

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u/hpotul 9h ago

About fucking time

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u/falardeau187 8h ago

Yes, and also ranked choice voting. This is crucial.

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u/ApollymiKatistrafia 10h ago

Also, add ranked choice voting. And mandatory.

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u/Suspicious_Corgi6819 10h ago

Ranked choice voting?

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u/cedricboy 10h ago

Does he know Trump won the popular vote?

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u/Lithl 8h ago

Trump also lost the popular vote twice.

Regardless, that's not the point. The point is that people vote, not empty land.

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u/Jadey-R- 9h ago

Yes please

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u/Lorddoctorjava 9h ago

1 PERSON 1 VOTE!!!

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u/NurseDMV 9h ago

Agree!

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u/GrillinFool 9h ago

Translation. “We didn’t get our way so we have to blow the system up because we’re a bunch of babies.”

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u/Inner_Adeptness_7228 9h ago

Exactly. Every vote should count the same

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u/Professional-Story43 9h ago

Gee. Then my vote WILLreally count. I agree.

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u/QuitUsual4736 9h ago

So overdue!!! This would change everything

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u/the_cardfather 9h ago

The electoral college at this point is a symptom not a cause and eliminating it is not a cure.

It would probably be easier to eliminate winner-take-all for each state. It would be more granular if they expanded the size of the house and the electoral college with it. I'm not sure that that would take a constitutional amendment. Just imagine if we were spreading out a thousand electors or 4000 or 5,000 electors.

More importantly Congress needs to take their power back from the executive branch. Too many departments and too many cabinet members running things go back to writing a bunch of small laws rather than Giant sweeping legislation too big to read

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u/TheBannedBananaMan 9h ago

Still no room for a 3rd party of working people. Only McKinsey Criminal Class.

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u/Waste-Principle6304 9h ago

He says this but as a corporatist Democrat he won’t implement it.

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u/Euphoric_Present8838 9h ago

Unfortunately that still means we’d have trump today. 

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u/Ill_Blacksmith693 9h ago

Love this idea!!!

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u/Ill_Blacksmith693 9h ago

That is how it should be we are not even close to being a free country we are a mess.

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u/Salt-Wear-1197 9h ago

Eliminate two party system, eliminate first past the post voting system, eliminate money in politics too.

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u/rybotsky 9h ago

Like basically every democracy on earth.

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u/DeadAndBuried23 9h ago

Or at the very least don't let small state votes count for 3-4 times as many as a big state just because they're smaller. That was so the effective owners of the states could have more say. It has no place in the modern world.

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u/eForeign_Anybody7431 9h ago

YES YES YES! This is the only answer

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u/Euphoric_Taco138 8h ago

Republikkkans would never win the presidency again if this happens

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u/ilikeboobs510 8h ago

And ranked choice across the state and fed levels.

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u/Luckiestpants 8h ago

Oh no..???

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u/Sidwill 8h ago

Yes, and?

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u/Satisfied2025 8h ago

Best idea ever!

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u/BraveLittleTowster 8h ago

The electoral college made a lot of sense when getting votes from all over the country to Washington was going to be a problem. A lot simpler to have a few people from each state come to Washington DC and tell them who won the election in each state. Popular vote at the country level would have been next to impossible in the 1700s and 1800s, but that's just not an issue now.

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u/Motor_Run6164 8h ago

I agree with the idea, but this would require a Constitutional Amendment. Hard to see that happening in today’s political environment.

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u/Mysterious-Kick9881 8h ago

Seems reasonable to me. If only our elected officials would use their power for good.

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u/Demetrius3D 8h ago

Small states will never give up electoral Affirmative Action.

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u/unscanable 8h ago

President is the only election in the country not elected by popular vote and I’ve never heard a good reason as to why that it.

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u/Lilpad123 8h ago

Go for it, rank choice next or whatever is better.

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u/Responsible_Tart_36 8h ago

THATS HOW IT SHOULD BE

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u/wrs557 8h ago

Says literally every Democrat tryna be president since 2016

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u/Hairy-Love2571 8h ago

Is this because the election went the other way twice in 20 years? Same thing happened in 1876 and 1888.

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u/cheesylobster 7h ago

Yes, and add in ranked choice voting!

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u/Basic-Pomegranate536 5h ago

This is crazy, my bf and I were literally just talking about this.. the one who really should be elected is by the popular vote, everytime

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u/Jumpy_Witness6014 5h ago

Let’s go a step further and do ranked ballot popular vote. You rank the choices then if no one wins by majority it goes to #2 and so on.

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u/Frodo_gabbins 5h ago

To be able to live in my red state and feel like voting for a president actually mattered would be amazing.

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u/Sure_Anxiety_1477 5h ago

A lot of people in here on both sides of this debate are wrong. The EC wasn’t created to protect rural areas or small states. In 1789 90% of the electorate lived in rural areas. And the smaller states already had their compromise with the Connecticut compromise. Madison kept very thorough constitutional convention notes. The founding fathers wanted the EC because they thought the electorate was too stupid to pick the president (they also thought we were too stupid to pick our senators). That was the founding father’s justification.

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u/Responsible-Tap-3748 5h ago

Sounds good Pete, go ahead

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u/E-rotten 5h ago

Sounds like a good idea

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u/547318 5h ago

100% agree Mayor Pete!

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u/LMrningStar 5h ago

What? He wants every single vote to count exactly equally and wants the person who gets the most votes to win an election? What kind of sorcery is this?

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u/Jesuismieux412 4h ago edited 4h ago

Great, but he won't be the one to do it...not even close. Why anyone continues to believe promises from neoliberals is beyond me. They could have super majorities in both houses, have the executive, etc and still not pass one thing their voters want--we've seen it several times already. So, the question is why? Hmmm....

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u/js303 3h ago

Mayor Pete can kiss my ass

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u/Peter4reddit 3h ago

Of course! It’s the only truly fair way to democratically elect anyone!!

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u/Oztravels 1h ago

Australian here. Your system seems nuts.

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u/Aromatic_Ad4132 1h ago

The electoral College is garbage unless it delivers the result of the popular vote. Drumpf won millions of votes fewer than Hillary

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u/TimothiusMagnus 47m ago

The Electoral College should have been eliminated after the Civil War