r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 10h ago
PoliticalTea đłď¸ I completely agree...
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u/DiddyDoItToYa 9h ago
He didnt win the pop vote the first time funny enough lol
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u/downsideup9494 9h ago
He's only won against women. He couldn't beat a male opponent. So much for being a big strong macho man.
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u/Artistic_Rice_9019 5h ago
Anyone would have beat him in 2020. Gender is irrelevant. And he would have beat Biden in a rematch. We all saw that debate.
He only wins when the electorate forgets how awful he is.
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u/ThoriatedFlash 9h ago
He also didn't even get 50% of the popular vote last time. More people wanted someone other than trump to win.
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u/_jump_yossarian 8h ago
The idiot sent that out thinking that Mitt had won the popular vote (Obama beat him by 5 million votes).
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u/Longjumping-Pop9374 10h ago
Yes! because then politicians would actually have to run on popular policy not just stupid culture war bs. Then the filibuster
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u/Tyfoid-Kid 10h ago
And theyâd have to campaign somewhere besides the battleground states.
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u/SwagarTheHorrible 8h ago
But how are these old men gonna be in so many places at once? They have nap time!
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u/1776boogapew 9h ago
Because they all follow their campaign promises so well⌠Iâd rather see a method to holding them to what they run on, some sort of contract.
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u/TheLastBaboon 7h ago
Iâm not against it but I think weâd need required primary and secondary education even beyond on our political system and unbiased current events to make it truly work. Educate to vote less promises because they often never happen and educate to vote more for the person and what they have been able to do in line with your ideal of policy.
Also, probably needs a bigger focus on the mistakes our country has made and the attempts to fix them.
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u/DinosaurDied 10h ago
âNoooo, but then my vote in rural Pennsylvania wonât matter >:(â
Yea well the rest of us living everywhere else besides those 7 battleground states have votes that donât matter.Â
Iâve lived all over this country and really always wanted thr same thing and it pisses me off that my vote only matters when I lived in certain areasÂ
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u/Ok-Appointment-6116 10h ago
Iâd live in hell, if my vote helps to eliminate Dump and MAGA! (I about live in Hell!I live in Texas!
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u/Complex_Arrival7968 9h ago
You poor devil! My niece lives there and lives for the day when she and her husband can move.
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u/Butwhatif77 9h ago
I always laugh at how people mention how "but then less populated states would get ignored" as if they don't already. When was the last time a presidential candidate campaigned in fucking Montana or Alaska. The very issue the Electoral College was supposed to address, happened anyway just worse than expected
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u/LongJohnSelenium 8h ago
The electoral college was meant to keep virginia from dominating politics.
The original states were far more independent and the constitution as written, still written in fact even if not as currently interpreted, wildly restricts the federal government. The smaller states, as a condition of giving up part of their sovereignty, demanded safeguards against being dominated into irrelevance by larger political entities. Thus the senate and electoral college.
Basically the US is supposed to be structured a lot more like the EU currently is.
Well that was the reason for the weighted votes. The reason for the electors is of course that, again, constitutionally, people are supposed to vote for electors and the electors vote for a president, precisely because they felt people would elect a populist demagogue if left to their own devices.
TLDR: Nothing is working like its supposed to work and thats causing all sorts of problems like people wanting to end the electoral college because the federal government has so much influence over their lives when it shouldn't.
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u/Thebeardinato462 10h ago
It would matter just as much as everyone elseâs vote. Depending on how someone votes in rural Pennsylvania their vote does t matter now.
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u/TheWolphman 9h ago
That's how I feel as a blue voter in South Carolina. I'm in my forties and this state has been red for longer than I've been alive.
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u/blahblah19999 9h ago
âNoooo, but then my vote in rural Pennsylvania wonât matter >:(â
No, it's literally the opposite. Under the EC, their vote doesn't matter. Under a popular vote, literally every single vote from the bluest part of NYC, to the most remote tent in Alaska matters.
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u/DinosaurDied 8h ago
(The secret is that they want their vote to matter way more Than anybody elseâs and they wonât give that up)Â
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u/kingjoey52a 7h ago
Pennsylvania has been a swing state the last few election so their vote does matter.
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u/TotallyNotRobotEvil 6h ago
Yeah, but the problem is they will never win an election again. It's why conservatives are so against any form of democracy. They have names for it like "mob rule". If it were up to them no blue state, city, woman or minority would be allowed to vote.
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u/Flimsy_Pack_936 10h ago
Penn would still matter to be fair
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u/Ok_Hornet_714 9h ago
Pennsylvania would matter but it would also make it so that the Republican candidate would need to appeal to voters in California, and the Democratic candidate to voters in Texas, instead of them basically just looping between Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina,etc.
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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 9h ago
Exactly. We let the same half dozen states choose who the President will be every time.
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u/Clcummings614 9h ago
Youâre in a large state. Your vote gets diluted by the smaller states. You get attention because youâre a swing state. I do think that the party platforms would be different if they had to appeal across the entire country.
Today, the swing states are the only ones that truly see any candidates campaign. Florida, NY, CA and some big red states only get visits for fundraising but not campaigning.
Whenâs the last time a dem or republican went to Des Moines to campaign? A dem could go to get some voters to show up for him. My district is terribly gerrymandered and my state is largely red. Probably 2/3 of the elections I participated in as an adult were meaningless. No hope for prez and Rep. a little more competitive for senate but not much. It wouldnât have mattered if u have voted or not. No electoral college and my vote truly would count for prez.
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u/EvilCorp____ 10h ago
Pennsylvania is the 5th most populous state.
The reason we use the electoral college is so that a candidate can't just appease California, New York, Pennsylvania, and Illinois and tell the rest of the country to f*** off. Or just ignore them all together.
At least that was the idea. (Although I think it was New York and Virginia that were the powerhouses back then)
(I agree though we should definitely use the popular vote).
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u/edebt 10h ago
Instead they just focus on the swing states, so it didn't fix anything, just put the power in the hands of a different group.
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u/binzy90 9h ago
Honestly, I never understood the whole concept. A candidate in any other election would prioritize large, populous areas regardless of what office they were running for. Like is someone in the back woods of West Virginia mad that their local county commissioner had a round table at a local school auditorium instead of driving out to the middle of nowhere to meet them? Probably not. But for some reason we act like a presidential candidate appealing to populous states is a bad thing.
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u/Infamous-Employ5487 7h ago
I literally don't want their rural bumfuck vote to matter at this point.
Listening to the stupidest among us is what brought us here. These people NEED to be disenfranchised.
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u/Stock-Map3715 10h ago
I wanted that since I first heard about the electoral college when I was 8 in 1968. Itâs not an idea that Pete came up with that nobody else ever thought about.
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u/QwertyIGuess 9h ago
I mean it was first thought of when they were writing the constitution. The less populated states said "Naw, I don't think we want to join this new country if thats how its gonna work." They countered with giving every state equal votes for president.
The more populated states said "Naw, I don't think we want to join this new country if thats how its gonna work." Everyone grumbled and grumbled and then someone said what if we do both and that how you get the compromise of the Electoral College.
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u/Fun_Performer_7930 10h ago edited 9h ago
Republicans would never win another election.....I'm in!
Edit: "NEVER WIN ANOTHER". Meaning "going forward". I really don't wanna keep typing this out to bots.
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u/BigBoyYuyuh 9h ago
Trump won the popular vote last electionâŚAmerica is a failed country.
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u/KtotheC99 9h ago
A lot of people dont vote in non-swing states because their 'vote doesnt matter' for the general election. This would increase participation across the board which would (if data is accurate) support democratic candidates overall.
Additionally, it could help 3rd parties become more viable as well
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u/LongJohnSelenium 8h ago
That works for both sides though.
In practice, while dems usually enjoy a slight numerical advantage, reps actually make it to the polls more frequently so it tends to balance out.
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u/cocineroylibro 7h ago
Election day should be a national holiday, AND there should be more widespread vote by mail.
Republicans work to disenfranchise voters legally (ID to vote, etc.) and also make it harder to vote by closing voting stations, limiting hours, etc. Republicans make it to the polls more frequently because they tend to be retired, better off financially, and any red area is teeming with voting places.
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u/Federal-Piglet 9h ago
More Americans didn't vote then voted for Kamala and Trump combined...
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u/Ok-Boomer-4414 9h ago
Itâs not that simple. Trump won popular vote in 2024. Republicans won popular vote for house in 2022 and 2024. It will certainly change in 2026 but Democrats are currently the voting minority
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u/True_Protection6842 9h ago
Well that's the problem. Republicans would essentially be eliminated in all the but the reddest bible belt states. That's not representation. It's basically what republicans want for themsevles by gerrymandering and cheating.
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u/TheTwiggsMGW 9h ago
I donât see how thatâs a bad thing, though. If the majority of people donât align republican, then the party shouldnât exist. A new party would emerge to fill the void, because not everyone aligns with Dems either. Theyâre just the better option of the two available.
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u/linds360 9h ago
Or theyâd learn real quick that appeasing a billionaire and appeasing a middle class person equals the same number of votes.
And there are a fuckton more middle class people.
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u/Perfect_Toe_6526 10h ago
Actually, the president should not have unilateral power to mess up the things
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u/Lithl 9h ago
The president doesn't have such power. But they do have the bully pulpit, which can help sway opinions in Congress and in state legislatures.
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u/ku1185 9h ago
These crazy democrats trying to bring democracy to our democracy are going to destroy our democracy.
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u/richardcraniumIII 7h ago
If the United States saw what the United States is doing in the United States, the United States would invade the United States to liberate the United States.
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u/DanimalHarambe 10h ago
You mean like an "election"? All Republicans voted against the immediate end of gerrymandering. They are feeding us to ourselves.
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u/SuspiciousNorth377 9h ago
I have hated the electoral college ever since Gore ran for President.
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u/Lando_0 10h ago
I believe voter registration is a scam and everyone with a ss# should use that to vote. I believe that election days should be granted by employers to make sure all people vote.
Edit: schools too for all 18y/oâs
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 9h ago
Every school I know of already does this, because they use the schools as voting locations. Public schools, anyway. Other than private schools and that one state where all voting is done by mail, I don't know of any schools that aren't closed on election day. Unless you meant colleges.
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u/Lando_0 9h ago
Thatâs pretty great! How about employers? I guess my overall point is that if the federal gov really wanted the masses to vote it would make registration automatic like selective service and election days would be more important.
Edit: spelling.
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u/7Obituario7 9h ago
This is how it should be but it will never be like this, otherwise republicans would never win again.
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u/Gemstyle96 9h ago
I think repealing the Reapportionment Act of 1929 would be a better start
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u/Werewolf_Busy 9h ago
Anybody who claims to love democracy and the will of the people approves of this. Everyone else is either institutionalized or profit off the current system. Those people need to be moved.
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u/SnooEagles4121 9h ago
Every time a conservative tries to defend the electoral college to me I point out that the state with the most registered Republicans is California.
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u/broforce 8h ago
Yeah I get pretty much yelled at every time I bring this up. Wouldn't a popular vote election mean more? I don't see the downside from this
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u/littledingo 8h ago
I live in a deeply red state. I would love for my vote to actually matter. My state hasn't voted for a democrat since well before I was even born, and I am 40.
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u/FineScratch 8h ago
The Electoral College is a relic of the nation's slavekeeping days.
The more you know.
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u/Ok-Scale-2559 8h ago
How about rank choice voting so the politicians actually have to work together
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u/East-Inevitable-3974 8h ago
We should eliminate Gerrymandering too. Just let a computer break states up into shortest perimeter districts and be done with it.
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u/GrillinFool 9h ago
Translation. âWe didnât get our way so we have to blow the system up because weâre a bunch of babies.â
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u/the_cardfather 9h ago
The electoral college at this point is a symptom not a cause and eliminating it is not a cure.
It would probably be easier to eliminate winner-take-all for each state. It would be more granular if they expanded the size of the house and the electoral college with it. I'm not sure that that would take a constitutional amendment. Just imagine if we were spreading out a thousand electors or 4000 or 5,000 electors.
More importantly Congress needs to take their power back from the executive branch. Too many departments and too many cabinet members running things go back to writing a bunch of small laws rather than Giant sweeping legislation too big to read
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u/TheBannedBananaMan 9h ago
Still no room for a 3rd party of working people. Only McKinsey Criminal Class.
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u/Waste-Principle6304 9h ago
He says this but as a corporatist Democrat he wonât implement it.
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u/Ill_Blacksmith693 9h ago
That is how it should be we are not even close to being a free country we are a mess.
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u/Salt-Wear-1197 9h ago
Eliminate two party system, eliminate first past the post voting system, eliminate money in politics too.
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u/DeadAndBuried23 9h ago
Or at the very least don't let small state votes count for 3-4 times as many as a big state just because they're smaller. That was so the effective owners of the states could have more say. It has no place in the modern world.
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u/Euphoric_Taco138 8h ago
Republikkkans would never win the presidency again if this happens
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u/BraveLittleTowster 8h ago
The electoral college made a lot of sense when getting votes from all over the country to Washington was going to be a problem. A lot simpler to have a few people from each state come to Washington DC and tell them who won the election in each state. Popular vote at the country level would have been next to impossible in the 1700s and 1800s, but that's just not an issue now.
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u/Motor_Run6164 8h ago
I agree with the idea, but this would require a Constitutional Amendment. Hard to see that happening in todayâs political environment.
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u/Mysterious-Kick9881 8h ago
Seems reasonable to me. If only our elected officials would use their power for good.
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u/unscanable 8h ago
President is the only election in the country not elected by popular vote and Iâve never heard a good reason as to why that it.
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u/Hairy-Love2571 8h ago
Is this because the election went the other way twice in 20 years? Same thing happened in 1876 and 1888.
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u/Basic-Pomegranate536 5h ago
This is crazy, my bf and I were literally just talking about this.. the one who really should be elected is by the popular vote, everytime
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u/Jumpy_Witness6014 5h ago
Letâs go a step further and do ranked ballot popular vote. You rank the choices then if no one wins by majority it goes to #2 and so on.
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u/Frodo_gabbins 5h ago
To be able to live in my red state and feel like voting for a president actually mattered would be amazing.
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u/Sure_Anxiety_1477 5h ago
A lot of people in here on both sides of this debate are wrong. The EC wasnât created to protect rural areas or small states. In 1789 90% of the electorate lived in rural areas. And the smaller states already had their compromise with the Connecticut compromise. Madison kept very thorough constitutional convention notes. The founding fathers wanted the EC because they thought the electorate was too stupid to pick the president (they also thought we were too stupid to pick our senators). That was the founding fatherâs justification.
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u/LMrningStar 5h ago
What? He wants every single vote to count exactly equally and wants the person who gets the most votes to win an election? What kind of sorcery is this?
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u/Jesuismieux412 4h ago edited 4h ago
Great, but he won't be the one to do it...not even close. Why anyone continues to believe promises from neoliberals is beyond me. They could have super majorities in both houses, have the executive, etc and still not pass one thing their voters want--we've seen it several times already. So, the question is why? Hmmm....
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u/Aromatic_Ad4132 1h ago
The electoral College is garbage unless it delivers the result of the popular vote. Drumpf won millions of votes fewer than Hillary
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u/Buddhas_Warrior 10h ago
Great, when can we start??