[On3] BREAKING: The SEC has filed a lawsuit against LSU and head football coach Lane Kiffin, @PeteNakos reports.

[u/Fonzie5]

https://x.com/on3/status/2095555292859646137?s=46&t=FavtrbPsHpJY8Odvh2TYUA

[u/Fonzie5]

"Defendants waged a deliberate and coordinated campaign to recruit professional athletes to play football for LSU during the 2026-27 season."

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Tf is goin’ on

[u/Set-Admirable → u/A_MASSIVE_PERVERT]

Lane Kiffin is doing his thing. This is the result.

[u/BerriesNCreme → u/Set-Admirable]

Lane is a habitual line stepper

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Fuck yo couch

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"I mean what am I gonna do? Jump up and start recruiting professional athletes to play college football for my team, like it's something to do? Come on, I have a little more sense than that.

Yeah, I remember recruiting professional athletes to play college football for my team."

[u/Kramerica_CEO → u/HBTFD1785]

Cocaine is a hell of a drug

Man that skit is a classic. The way they rewind it and play what he said again ☠️

[u/binzoma → u/HBTFD1785]

is this the 5 oclock drunk coed giveaway??

[u/Pandemic_Academic → u/Kramerica_CEO]

Buy anotha one ya rich mothafucka!

[u/katarh → u/Kramerica_CEO]

No that's JD Vance

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They Should’ve never given Lane money!

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CHARLIE MURPHY!

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Where the hell is Charlie Murphy when you need him? RIP

[u/surlymoe → u/BerriesNCreme]

*snorter. That's how I read it.

Both are true.

(and that's coming from a PSU fan!! Lol)

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Maybe the most accurate description of Lane.

[u/Dixiefootball → u/BerriesNCreme]

Lane would wear a UNITY ring and slap someone with it

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Kiffin: There's two things that turn me on - being a line stepper, and a 2 liter of diet dr pepper

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I thought you are supposed to straddle the line? This seems like constantly crossing ever red line that is placed in front of him.

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Al Davis was right

[u/jhallen2260 → u/NewspaperChemical785]

"FIRE LANE.... KIFFIN"

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this is what i think of every time lane kiffin is mentioned somewhere

[u/Orion14159 → u/NewspaperChemical785]

r/brandnewsentence material right there

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Theres a lot of that going on in this thread

[u/TwoLiterHero → u/NewspaperChemical785]

Honestly I think Al is responsible for Lane Kiffin.

He was the first coach to show any promise with us in years, so naturally Al had to get rid of him by breaking out the projector and embarrassing him (shitty do to a first time head coach).

And I don’t think Lane has respected authority or bothered caring about his image ever since.

Al Davis always had big time Palpatine vibes anyway lol

[u/tightiewhitieboy → u/Set-Admirable]

That guy has been a POS everywhere he has been.

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Florida Atlantic is the only job he left on good terms. He couldn’t even leave on good terms at Alabama as their national championship winning OC.

[u/averagejoeag → u/Set-Admirable]

He finally found a place as corrupt as him.

[u/bigpoppa85 → u/averagejoeag]

Match made in hell. Hope they all go up in flames.

[u/Electromotivation → u/bigpoppa85]

He will be the governor before we know it

[u/bigpoppa85 → u/Electromotivation]

I’m sure he is already calling the shots.

But, given Lane’s history, can you imagine how explosive this eventual divorce will be? The guy’s career is a total rollercoaster.

I honestly cannot think of a more talked about coach that has done as little ON THE FIELD. His Kardashian approach to coaching has certainly been professionally successful though 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/Powerlevel-9000 → u/Set-Admirable]

As terrible as this is I still hate the fake injury strategy he uses more. He has done only harm to the sport.

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I’m so glad we dodged that bullet. 

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I mean, yes, but we all knew what we'd be getting into if we got him

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Do we think he’d still be doing this at Ole Miss or has the LSU job gone to his head and made him ultra ridiculous?

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Lane Kiffin is doing his thing. This is the result.

Dude is another poster boy for nepo babies. Dude would not have a career if it weren't for his father.

[u/TheSwitchler → u/A_MASSIVE_PERVERT]

The shit weasel is at it again

[u/NoleJawn → u/TheSwitchler]

The Shit Hawks are circling, Laney

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What's a shit hawk, Ricky?

[u/ItsMrChuckles → u/ozzyoslo]

The shit apple doesn’t fall far from the shit tree Randy

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Lane Kiffin is a shit leopard who can’t change his spots

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Basically what this could mean is the players won't be eligible. You have to have rosters set 24 hours before kickoff so theoretically changing a ruling even for 24 hours at this stage could cause LSU big problems. Pate broke it down on Sunday's show.

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Nah some Baton Rouge judge will place an injunction to allow them to play with a court date in February ‘27 to determine if they’ll be allowed to play in the 26-27 season.

Edit: exactly what I said would happen- happened. Shocking.

[u/surlymoe → u/Taako_Cross]

The Baton Rouge AG was wearing purple and the very first things she said outside the courthouse today before answering a question was, "Go Tigers!" So yeah, we have an unbiased lawsuit about to happen.

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*Go Tigahs

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I mean the AG's job is to defend LSU right now. She's the state's lawyer and an entity of the state is getting sued.

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This court day today was brought by the SEC though. I'm still sorta confused how these guys enrolled into LSU this late. I'm in California. How come my avid teacher didn't advise us to apply to LSU? Easiest school ever to get into apparently.

[u/exipheas → u/Lefthook16]

Because no advisor that cares about you would suggest you move to Louisiana.

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How come my avid teacher didn't advise us to apply to LSU?

Because it is expensive for an out of state student without a scholarship. It's always been very easy to get in.

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Easiest school ever to get into apparently.

Isn't Ole Miss like a 99% or some shit? You just have to have a pulse and not be legally brain dead.

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At least Ole Miss has a nationally renowned English department, I could not tell you any redeeming things about LSU. It’s a giant junior college. Legitimately the worst school in the SEC.

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I do think Mississippi State is worse.

[u/jimmybilly100 → u/Lefthook16]

Yeah, but how well do you football?

[u/Other-Comfortable929 → u/Lefthook16]

If your submitted roster is at 105 it’s set but if it’s under 105 you can still add people later so they can just leave a few spots open and ride it out.

[u/JustHereForCatss → u/A_MASSIVE_PERVERT]

Lane Kiffin

[u/tagillaslover → u/JustHereForCatss]

He’s actually such an idiot, I don’t understand it. He’s going through all this trouble for guys that were going to be backups 

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He loves being the center of attention and skirting every rule possible. This is his version of natural selection.

[u/Electromotivation → u/Set-Admirable]

Maybe he’s doing some other really illegal things and once all the attention on this

[u/jcanci → u/Set-Admirable]

I'm tired, boss. I just want LSU to be a good football team, but we are being abnormal and antisocial.

[u/Exempt_Puddle → u/tagillaslover]

In the NFL, but as you should know most backups in the NFL would be starting studs at most colleges

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The guy was undrafted and had yet to even appear in a preseason game. That type of player is not a difference maker for a team like LSU. Especially not at his position. I’m sure he will contribute but he doesn’t move the needle for their expectations.

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Wright is absolutely a potential difference maker for LSU, whether he starts or not. He immediately gives LSU four years of veteran leadership and experience, including in the CFP, and he’s plug-and-play as the hybrid H-back/wing/slot that Kiffin wants for his scheme because he just did it for two years at Ole Miss. And he gets exponentially more valuable if LSU makes it to the playoffs, where a single position having experienced and talented depth can easily be the difference between winning or losing.

I think Green is better than Wright and that’s why he’s starting, but Wright actually had more receptions and yards last year than anyone in LSU’s current TE room including Green, and more importantly it’s a super contact-heavy position with frequent injuries. In fact I’m pretty sure Green missed games just this last year with a knee thing. The reason Kiffin pushed so hard to add a contributor to the room is because after Green and Wright, every other TE that he has are JAGs at best and zeroes at worst. Having Wright as insurance is one bad play away from being a potentially huge deal.

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No one player is gonna move the needle outside of a QB or dominant defensive player, but several players combined could move a needle. Its also telling LSU is willing to do this considering the controversy they would have predicted, so im guessing they know better than we do. I fucking hate it, but at that level people take calculated risks so clearly they think its worth it

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Aren’t these guys who went undrafted? These aren’t even back ups. Sure there are even hall of famers who were UDFA, but as far as I am aware the vast majority don’t ever make it past the practice squad (if even that)… I actually read that even among drafted players only 30% make a 53 man roster, more like 5-10% if you are a late round pick… so if you go undrafted you will likely never be an actual NFL backup.

I am not saying these players cannot be good or even better than your average college player, but they are a big step down from actual NFL 2nd stringers.

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Well I didnt make that initial claim of them being backups,, but seeing as no college team has exceeded 15 drafted in a single draft its not ridiculous to think some PS filler would be a successful starter in a college program.

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Yeah it’s definitely possible, but it just doesn’t seem worth it for a team like LSU. I would think they could get somebody in the portal or coming out of HS who would be comparable, likely with a higher upside. If this is somewhere like Louisiana Tech then gain seems more worth it (but not really worth it either in the grand schemes).

My theory is that we are so deep into the attention/engagement economy that Kiffin just wants LSU football to be in all the headlines and on everyone’s social media feeds, because otherwise it is a head scratcher to me.

[u/Exempt_Puddle → u/PackInevitable8185]

Man i could not agree with you more. I think your theory is probably closer to the truth. Either there is something more to it on the back-e nd, or they legitimately think they move the needle

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No, the LSU fans have openly admitted that most of the players they're after are just added depth behind the current projected LSU starters.

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He just needs to stay on as an OC at a top program. Every time you think he's back he reverts back to his old ways as a HC and makes folks mad whether he leaves or stays

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He's majorly self-destructive and is repeatedly forgiven when he fucks up, so he keeps pushing it.

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Is idiot the right word?

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People have been saying that, but Wright would start at TE if he had been in camp for awhile.

[u/ActionAccomplished31 → u/tagillaslover]

An LSU fan told me the other day that the tight end would be a backup, but they’re counting on the nfl drop downs to sure up their line, so they’d be starting.

[u/Porkball → u/ActionAccomplished31]

sure up

"Shore up" is the correct expression here.

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Thanks

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Not even back ups. Tackling dummies on the practice team

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Kiffin be Kiff'in

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I bet the defendants waged a deliberate and coordinated campaign to recruit professional athletes to play football for LSU during the 2026-27 season

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As an organization I'd certainly be pissed if I found out a member convinced and assisted outside people to sue me.

[u/abris33 → u/A_MASSIVE_PERVERT]

College football is either about to die a glorious death or get saved. No in between

[u/ReadyWash9992 → u/A_MASSIVE_PERVERT]

Purdue sucks! So do Michigan and Ohio State!

Oh, sorry, force of habit. Anyway, Coach Kiffin has been trying to make illegal lane changes.

[u/tc100292 → u/A_MASSIVE_PERVERT]

Lane burning bridges at multiple SEC schools bit him.

[u/crustang → u/A_MASSIVE_PERVERT]

nm.. waiting for the game in a couple hours, u?

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They also must submit their roster 24 hours before their game, so by 7:30 tomorrow night. If they try to submit with deemed ineligible players I don't pretend to know what will happen, but probably nothing good for LSU.

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When was the last time we had a major team forfeit a game? (Not a “removed years later in an investigation” but a true in season forfeit)

[u/AeolusA2 → u/sqigglygibberish]

Good question. I found this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/s/hrMCiDh3zT

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Of course it was aTm!

[u/cutter48200 → u/goofytigre]

Aggies don’t lie cheat or steal (online polls and sports excluded)

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"Holy hell. Could you imagine if a team played an ineligible player nowadays? The NCAA would absolutely murder Mizzou"

Man, I'd forgotten the Mizzou death penalty jokes had been going on for that long. Made me laugh seeing a 6 year old comment using the same jokes that are still being used today.

[u/buttscarltoniv → u/sqigglygibberish]

the SEC likely has no power over non conference games, but I don't know the intimate details of member contracts tbh

[u/Mobile-Analyst8580 → u/buttscarltoniv]

They have to have some power over what their members do in non conference games. 

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It’s still bush league bullshit that here 48 hrs before the game Clemson has to prepare for players who may or may not play.

[u/Dazzling_Dig4416 → u/MidlandsBraves]

Just stay here and take over LSU's schedule.

[u/MidlandsBraves → u/Dazzling_Dig4416]

Our president and coach are bama grads. And now the sec is suing in the state of bama?

All hail “the machine”

[u/BobbysSmile → u/AeolusA2]

It just hit me that we are like 2 days from college football.

[u/ThatStrangeGuyOverMe → u/BobbysSmile]

College football has already begun, and there's games starting today and going through Monday as well!

[u/Theduckisback → u/ThatStrangeGuyOverMe]

Billable hours is already running up the score.

[u/LongDickCallahan → u/ThatStrangeGuyOverMe]

I cant wait to watch perpetually ranked 25 Missouri today!

[u/JohnPaulDavyJones → u/BobbysSmile]

Dawg, we're already back to college football. USC's backups gave up 23 points to SJSU in one quarter last weekend, and either Bill Belichick has a defense again or TCU's offense is making 2010s Kansas look competent.

Those are the sorts of things that one loves to be able to say about college football when it's back.

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and Memphis might be a g5 playoff contender, and NDSU could win the MWC in their first year of FBS.

[u/Redeem123 → u/JohnPaulDavyJones]

Hey I’ll have you know that 2010s Kansas was a beast! No one should feel bad if they lost to them, hypothetically speaking.

[u/nokillswitch4awesome → u/JohnPaulDavyJones]

Didn't you know? If it's not the SEC it's not college football. Therefore College Football begins in 2 days.

[u/BuyAllTheTaquitos → u/JohnPaulDavyJones]

Who will be this year's 2014 Kenny Hill?

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*Kenny Trill

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Bellicheck can’t be successful at UNC my heart couldn’t take it

[u/BBQ_HaX0r → u/BobbysSmile]

Wait? They actually play football? I just follow along for the litigation and press releases!

[u/jerpyderpy → u/BBQ_HaX0r]

where is your billable hours flair, bestie??

[u/unsubpolitics → u/BobbysSmile]

We’re like 6 hours from college football man!

[u/ChampionDrake → u/unsubpolitics]

More like 4 hours. Please put some respect on UMass vs. Rutgers on the Big Ten Network

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My dude we got a big game tonight

[u/WhiskeyForTheWin → u/BobbysSmile]

Where ya been? UVA has the best team in the country right now.

[u/adamsworstnightmare → u/BobbysSmile]

You didn't watch UNC spank the frogs in the Irish mist last weekend?

[u/Round-Ad3684 → u/BobbysSmile]

Rutgers and UMass kick off in five minutes homie

[u/theboarderdude → u/AeolusA2]

The lawyers will win yet again!

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If LSU loses the pending Lawyer Wars (which could take a while), the NFL dropouts will be officially ineligible, which means the NCAA will vacate their 2026 wins. Of course, us Michigan fans are aware the more immediate punishment comes from the conference. So whatever the SEC votes for will happen, and then the legality of those punishments would be added to the Lawyer Wars.

[u/Revolver_Oshawott_ → u/AeolusA2]

Kiffin gonna do some jersey swapping

[u/Electromotivation → u/AeolusA2]

Worked out for Villanova

Sorta

[u/tagillaslover → u/Fonzie5]

I thank the sec for doing this just days before they play us. I imagine the distraction and all the extra noise won’t help LSU. 

[u/ninusc92 → u/tagillaslover]

ESPN will certainly make it their main talking point alongside Dabo’s comments. Agreed that this is only good news for Clemson.

[u/thefupachalupa → u/ninusc92]

Makes me want to root even harder for Clemson to pull out the win

[u/BroadBrazosAvon95 → u/ninusc92]

ESPN and College Gameday are going to twist themselves into a pretzel trying to report on this without acknowledging the fact that they have directly contributed to the current state of the sport, Lane being their media darling, and running point for SEC propaganda at the same time. The hoops they jump through on Saturday morning will be disgustingly historic

[u/chaser676 → u/tagillaslover]

I'm sure you can spin it as "look, everyone in the world is against us!", but I wonder if the locker room may actually go towards "why are you risking our season over this shit?"

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This, and I could also see an element of "why do we need to bring these NFL guys in, can't we win without them?"

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Also a healthy helping of "Who the fuck is even starting beside me Saturday?"

[u/LETX_CPKM → u/tagillaslover]

The bandwagon for Clemson on Saturday night will be Standing Room Only. Time to go get some $2 bills yall…

[u/StreetReporter → u/LETX_CPKM]

>bandwagon

It’s called the ROY Bus

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Can I put my tix on IPTAY?

[u/StreetReporter → u/aljout]

Yes, but the name is misleading, we aren’t paying ten a year anymore

[u/ninusc92 → u/StreetReporter]

Twenties? Thousands?

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It’s like the Balogun saga leading up USA vs Belgium. We probably would’ve been better off having to play without him rather than deal with all the distractions and drama that came with his reinstatement. The same might be true for LSU, especially given the consensus that they were already going to be a very good team without any of these guys.

[u/wowthisislong → u/tagillaslover]

Dabo can become the hero of r/cfb for the first time since 2018

[u/steve_dallasesq → u/tagillaslover]

You guys have the opportunity to be the biggest heroes in CFB this weekend

[u/PTRugger → u/tagillaslover]

We shall see. I haven’t watched much preseason hype about us because I can’t believe it’s already football season

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Quite the opposite actually. We embrace villainy around here.

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Oh are you in for a surprise

[u/surreptitioussloth → u/Fonzie5]

What does that even state a claim for?

Getting players to pursue lawsuits over rules even if it happened wouldn’t be something for courts to get into, especially when the controversy over those rules is legitimate

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In its complaint, the SEC requests the court “enter a preliminary and permanent injunction prohibiting Defendants from violating the Conference’s First Amendment rights by compelling the Conference to associate with conduct that is contrary to the Conference’s purpose and mission.”

Frankly I don't know how this is different from the lawsuit already taking place.

[u/surreptitioussloth → u/BoldElDavo]

It’s different because it doesn’t even make sense as a lawsuit

What relief are they really asking for against lsu/kiffin? They aren’t bringing the lawsuit and do not have the power to stop it

If the state court finds the ncaa/sec rules are unlawful, whatever this lawsuit is trying to do wouldn’t get in the way of that

I’ve pursued novel legal theories, but this is just not based on legal reality as far as I can tell

[u/BoldElDavo → u/surreptitioussloth]

It could make sense as a lawsuit. They're saying the conference has a purpose and mission, and LSU (a state entity) is compelling them to associate with conduct contrary to it.

I guess the mission is amateur athletics and the conduct contrary is hiring professional athletes, in a nutshell. The relief would be barring LSU/Kiffin from hiring professional athletes.

I don't buy it even a little bit as an argument, but if they can somehow win on the NCAA/SEC rule being speech protected by the Constitution, that would defeat the other lawsuit.

[u/surreptitioussloth → u/BoldElDavo]

Yeah, that’s the best argument they can make but when the actual harm is coming from lawsuits from players, claiming that their success there is state retaliation is a huge stretch

[u/BoldElDavo → u/surreptitioussloth]

Right, but the players aren't state actors. LSU and its employees are.

[u/surreptitioussloth → u/BoldElDavo]

But assuming the SEC gets an injunction against LSU for, what, continuing to encourage players to file lawsuits?

That still leaves them facing potential orders requiring them to let the players play and not punish the schools rostering them

It’s just weird

[u/BoldElDavo → u/surreptitioussloth]

The injunction would be stopping LSU from rostering the players, surely.

[u/DuvalHeart → u/BoldElDavo]

Even if we leave out the amateur athletics portion an organization has the right to determine who can be a member and to apply its own rules (unless said membership requirements and rules run afoul of anti-discrimination laws).

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has the right to determine who can be a member and to apply its own rules

This is true insofar as those rules don't violate the law. But the bigger thing here is...even if we accept this as a basis for the argument, that doesn't warrant a lawsuit. If the argument is "you keep bringing in people we don't want to associate with," then the response is "OK, kick them out" not "Sue them in Federal court to do...something about it"

[u/Ion_bound → u/surreptitioussloth]

They're saying that they want to kick LSU out of the SEC, sounds like, and that they have the constitutional right to do so. Not sure why this would stop LSU from playing on Sunday but I can see wanting to essentially get a declaratory judgment/anti-suit injunction in a non-LA court before trying to boot LSU.

[u/SituationSoap → u/Ion_bound]

They're saying that they want to kick LSU out of the SEC, sounds like, and that they have the constitutional right to do so.

That argument doesn't require a lawsuit, though?

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No, but LSU will sue if they do that to try to stay in. So by filing a lawsuit first in the Northern District of Alabama asking permission to kick LSU out, instead of letting LSU file in Louisiana asking to be let back in, they get to pick a battlefield with a less biased (and/or biased in their favor) judge.

It's genuinely good legal strategy, clearly the SEC has better lawyers than the NCAA.

[u/SituationSoap → u/Ion_bound]

No, but LSU will sue if they do that to try to stay in.

I mean that's just table stakes.

So by filing a lawsuit first in the Northern District of Alabama asking permission to kick LSU out

But that is not what they're seeking in this lawsuit?

It's genuinely good legal strategy

It is?

[u/Ion_bound → u/SituationSoap]

But that is not what they're seeking in this lawsuit?

According to One3, they want the Court to “enter a preliminary and permanent injunction prohibiting Defendants from violating the Conference’s First Amendment rights by compelling the Conference to associate with conduct that is contrary to the Conference’s purpose and mission.” That's legalese for 'Prevent them from saying we can't kick them out for breaking the rules'.

It is?

Oh yeah. Forum selection is huge and can be outcome determinative, not just in terms of judge-shopping (though that is a factor) but also in terms of choice of law. And Louisiana Civil Law is a byzantine nightmare unless you want to law school at LSU or Tulane because it's based on the Napoleonic Code instead of Anglo-American law.

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That's legalese for 'Prevent them from saying we can't kick them out for breaking the rules'.

I'm not a lawyer, but this seems explicitly wrong. As far as I can tell, literally nobody has said that the SEC can't kick LSU out for breaking the rules except the courts, which makes sense because the courts routinely take a very poor view of litigants punishing someone for doing something the courts say is legal.

Forum selection is huge and can be outcome determinative, not just in terms of judge-shopping (though that is a factor) but also in terms of choice of law

OK, but the rulings against the NCAA and SEC have come from across the country, which suggests that the type of law we're dealing with at this point isn't specific to Louisiana.

But more specifically, I wasn't talking about forum shopping. I'm talking about the idea that filing what appears to be a batshit lawsuit against the university and Lane Kiffin for engaging in a conspiracy to do something that isn't illegal is a brilliant legal strategy.

[u/Cogitoergosumus → u/BoldElDavo]

My guess is its meant to draw attention and put crosshairs on the group responsible for the madness and nothing more.

[u/Mortonsbrand → u/BoldElDavo]

That reads like the conference plans to either heavily sanction, or possibly expel LSU over this.

Or am I crazy?

[u/justinbajko → u/Mortonsbrand]

To me it reads like the conference is begging a court and/or the legislature to solve this problem for it so it doesn’t have to show the world it isn’t willing to expel LSU and unmask that there are virtually no consequences for doing anything as long as money continues rolling in.

[u/Mortonsbrand → u/justinbajko]

I guess we will find out 🤷‍♂️

[u/FSUfan35 → u/justinbajko]

I'm a bit confused, and you sound like one of the most rational people on this thread so, didn't the Sec already say they would comply with the court and allow nfl players to play if they were ruled eligible by the court?

[u/justinbajko → u/FSUfan35]

I am absolutely not a lawyer. But…

I believe the SEC said they would comply with the court’s TRO, meaning they will not enforce the penalties in the rule they created until there is a ruling, but intend to argue the validity of their rule (which is this lawsuit). So with this lawsuit the SEC is asking a judge to rule their their new rule that prohibits NFL players from playing (and allows the SEC to punish schools that play them) is legal and enforceable. But until a judge rules they are complying with the TRO that says “you can’t enforce this until a judge rules.”

Either way if they “lose” they have no choice but to comply with the court. The issue is no one has won or lost yet — we just have TROs awaiting lawsuits to be heard and judges to rule.

I think.

[u/FSUfan35 → u/justinbajko]

OK that makes about as much sense as it can, and was my understanding of the timeline as well. I guess my question would just be why do they need to sue LSU now, when LSU hasn't even technically broken their rule

[u/justinbajko → u/FSUfan35]

A fair question and I honestly don’t know. I think realistically they’re doing it to get their day in court and hopefully have a judge agree that their rule is valid and enforceable, and a lawsuit is how you do that. But a lawyer could more confidently answer the “why now” question than my dumbass guessing. 😂

[u/beaver_of_fire → u/justinbajko]

I think that rule will be found to be unenforceable. It's a retaliatory rule instituted to work around court rulings. I'd hope no place in this country could do that. That's terrible for everyone.

They could vote to expel LSU at anytime. I don't think they need any reason just the votes. The thing is they won't. The conferences don't have some magic power that the NCAA doesn't or can't do. Also why do fans want to even save this current garbage system? Rip off the bandaid and let's get to nuking this entirely into the sun and get back to regional divisions, and something thats more cfb than its been the last 20 years.

[u/BoldElDavo → u/Mortonsbrand]

I don't think this specifically reads that way, but it's certainly reasonable to assume they want to punish LSU.

Basically there's already the TRO saying the NCAA and the conferences can't do anything to restrict these specific players. The SEC is now asking the courts to restrict these players because the conference can't. I'm not sure if the requested injunction would actually allow the conference to punish LSU.

[u/Mortonsbrand → u/BoldElDavo]

It’s the part about compelling association that made my eyebrows twitch.

[u/CheaterSaysWhat → u/BoldElDavo]

How does a conference have first amendment rights 

[u/Neither_Call2913 → u/surreptitioussloth]

I have a feeling that this lawsuit will go on complete hold until the lawsuit regarding the SEC’s ban on pro players is decided. But it’s being filed now to make the battlefield more clear on what battles are going to have to be fought.

[u/Dadvocate12 → u/surreptitioussloth]

I believe the point is trying to establish the SEC's right to enforce it's rules against Lane Kiffin and LSU.

The Key difference is it's filed in a court not based in Louisiana.

[u/Johnny_Kilroy_84 → u/surreptitioussloth]

It’s ridiculous. LSU and Lane said they’d have a spot, if eligible. The players in question have a TRO giving them (at least temporarily) eligibility. There are hundreds of players across the country, including one of the marquee players in the SEC who are going to play under a TRO despite the NCAA declaring them ineligible.

[u/chaser676 → u/Johnny_Kilroy_84]

The idea is that if this is a coordinated attempt to undermine the SEC bylaws, the SEC is pre-emptively suing to affirm they ability to enforce the penalties for the rules that LSU voted for. This is similar to what the Big 12 did with Sorsby.

As much as LSU fans keep saying "everyone else is doing it, it's not us", it's you leading the charge, and you know it.

[u/Johnny_Kilroy_84 → u/chaser676]

Do the SEC bylaws allow a team to roster a player deemed ineligible by the NCAA?

What were the punishments for Alabama rostering and playing a former professional basketball player last year? When is the lawsuit against mizzou and Kentucky dropping as each has actively recruited (and mizzou signed) a former nba player just this week?

[u/Varithos15 → u/surreptitioussloth]

Getting players to pursue lawsuits against the SEC is something that directly violates the SEC bylaws, I think.

They can pursue lawsuits, but the school itself can't encourage it.

[u/surreptitioussloth → u/Varithos15]

And if they want, the sec could try to punish lsu and kiffin through the normal process for bylaw violations

That would probably violate the state court order, or it would get amended to stop it, but either way jumping to a completely different federal lawsuit is not how you enforce bylaws

[u/g2lv → u/surreptitioussloth]

Yeah, what are they even doing here? The courts don’t weigh in on hypothetical questions.

[u/Ranger_Nietzsche → u/g2lv]

They're saying the court forcing the SEC to allow playing professionals violates their first amendment rights by creating the appearance of the SEC endorsing professional players in college athletics

[u/cabforpitt → u/Ranger_Nietzsche]

That makes sense as an argument in the court case where the players are suing the SEC, but not really as a separate lawsuit.

[u/shapu → u/Fonzie5]

If you don't love this, you don't love Kiffin football

[u/Sheepcago → u/shapu]

What’s amazing is I still like Kiffin a lot more than I like Kelly. And I hate Kiffin.

[u/suburbanpride → u/Sheepcago]

I like Ted Cruz Lane Kiffin more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz Lane Kiffin. And I hate Ted Cruz Lane Kiffin.

-Al Franken, probably

[u/TheNatural14063 → u/Sheepcago]

Same....

[u/Francis_X_Hummel → u/Fonzie5]

Unbelievable lol

[u/IAMY0URK1NG → u/Fonzie5]

Just put them in their own league with Texas Tech & let them play each other over & over.

[u/Chris_TO79 → u/Fonzie5]

Man, I know players are getting away with just about everything these days but if the SEC can't win in the courts on this than i'm just going to throw my hands up in disgust.

[u/DDayDawg → u/Fonzie5]

The SEC will use this lawsuit to remove the suit from the Louisiana state court. You can't start a fight with a conference spanning multiple states and then think you can fight in your own backyard.

[u/Lightbelow → u/Fonzie5]

And tell me again what defines a "professional athlete"

[u/cfbluvr2 → u/Fonzie5]

We’ve had CFB outcome chaos but this is absolute legal chaos

[u/Johnny_Kilroy_84 → u/Fonzie5]

No shit we’re recruiting professional athletes. Sam Leavitt is going to make like 5 mill to play football for LSU.

[u/stlms18 → u/Johnny_Kilroy_84]

Probably 4.5 million too much too

[u/dubcwa → u/Fonzie5]

I mean, they went after Demond Williams right after he signed his contract with Washington. Just a scummy overall program.

[u/Phlegmbrandt → u/Fonzie5]

Can someone tell the SEC that they have an entire conference full of people getting paid to play football, AKA professional athletes?

[u/sfzen → u/Fonzie5]

I wonder there isn't this kind of backlash to LSU signing a ton of pro players from EuroLeague in addition to an NBA G League player.

[u/trugrav → u/Fonzie5]

They should have filed in Oxford. Jurisdiction be damned, it would be funny as hell.

[u/No-Touch-941 → u/Fonzie5]

They are all professional athletes at the major college level. Wake up

[u/fcocyclone → u/Fonzie5]

See this is where i cant bring myself to care.

Every single team effectively has "professional athletes" as is.

[u/Sorge74 → u/Fonzie5]

Can a random Alabama judge now put in a TRO to stop them from playing lol?

[u/Trujiogriz → u/Fonzie5]

Why don’t they just kick Lane out of the SEC he is obv operating with ill intent and not accepting of any SEC bylaws