r/Undertale 19h ago

Discussion Undertale community, I want to bring attention to a situation involving a TikTok content creator.

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Recently, screenshots from their Discord server have been shared, showing conversations that have sparked criticism within the community. Among them are messages where the N-word is allegedly used as part of “jokes” or humor, as well as images that have also been considered offensive.

However, the situation is not limited to these screenshots. The creator’s way of responding to part of their audience has also been questioned, particularly when receiving opinions that differ from their own. From my perspective, some of these responses come across as quite immature when dealing with criticism.

I’m not posting this with the intention of encouraging harassment or attacking this person. My intention is simply to bring attention to what happened so that people can look at the available evidence and form their own opinions.

If anyone knows more about the context surrounding these screenshots or has additional sources that could provide another perspective, I think it would be helpful to share them so we can understand the situation more completely. (Spanish creator)


r/Undertale 18h ago

Meme Toby Fox predicted Verity and invented Purity (white verity) as you can see in the True Lab

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He really was ahead of his time


r/Undertale 14h ago

Discussion Summary about fandom bias on Chara and Asriel

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This is a overview of Chara and Asriel's situation summarized to a shorter length than what we acutally discussed in discord. There was more like answering questions on both characters and events but I just wanted to post this to see how far we got with just this. Dank Man, I already know what you are going to say and your opinion has already been taken into account.

Chara is the ultimate scapegoat, while Asriel is treated as a flawless, tragic angel. To maintain this, fans aggressively rewrite the game's actual text, erase character agency, and ignore timelines.

When you strip away the sentimental framing and look strictly at the mechanics of the game, the narrative that Asriel is an innocent child who did nothing wrong completely falls apart.

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  1. The Human Village: A Tactical Disaster, Not Heroism

Fandom circles praise Asriel for "choosing peace" when he refused to fight the humans. In reality, it was a catastrophic failure of timing and broken trust.

* He agreed to the plan: Asriel wasn't tricked. He knowingly let Chara commit an agonizing suicide via buttercups so they could fuse, cross the barrier, collect six souls, and free their people.

* The mid-battle pivot: Chara fulfilled their end of the sacrifice. But when the humans attacked, Asriel choked. By backing out mid-fight, he didn't save anyone—he got Chara killed a second time, dragged his sibling’s corpse home, and left his parents with two dead children in a single night.

* The real-world fallout: This sudden change of heart directly triggered Asgore's grief-fueled declaration of war. Every single human child that fell into the Underground afterward was hunted and murdered because Asriel backed out at the absolute worst possible moment.

* Chara's restraint: Control of their fused body was split 50/50. Chara wanted to fight, but they allowed Asriel to walk away. Had Asriel simply said "no" while they were still in their bedroom, Chara would never have swallowed the poison.

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## 2. The Identity Myth: Changing Forms Doesn't Change the Person

The ultimate defense shield fans use is separating "Flowey" from "Asriel," claiming the soulless flower is a completely different entity. This completely violates the rules of character identity:

* If you medically strip away an athlete's ability to feel pain, they are still the same person—they just have a modified sensory shield. Losing a soul altered Asriel's sensory input (empathy), but it didn't rewrite his identity, his history, or his brain.

* In DC's Injustice, Superman cracks under grief, breaks his moral code, and builds a totalitarian regime. The narrative doesn't pretend this is a "fake" Superman; the entire tragedy relies on the fact that this is the real Clark Kent choosing tyranny.

* Flowey uses Asriel's intimate memories of his friends and family to psychologically manipulate them. When he finally gets the souls back, he doesn't say a demon possessed him; he explicitly confesses, "I've done so many terrible things." He acknowledges the choices were entirely his.

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## 3. Chronologically, Asriel is Not a Child

Calling Asriel a child because of his physical appearance at the end of the Pacifist route is a massive chronological lie.

* Centuries of Resets: Flowey explicitly states he lived through countless timelines. He didn't just wander around; he spent entire lifetimes learning every single monster's dialogue and predicting their behaviors.

* The Mental Age Gap: Chara died as a traumatized kid and stayed dead. Asriel had thousands of lifetimes to grow, learn, and experience the world. By the time Frisk meets him, Flowey possesses the mind, coldness, and tactical experience of an ancient, bored immortal.

* The "Child" Costume: When he takes on his childhood goat form to fight Frisk, it is emotional leverage. He hides behind the tears of a little kid so the player—and the fandom—will comfort him rather than force him to answer for centuries of torment.

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## 4. FNAF Ghost Kids vs. Asriel: Forced Stagnation vs. Active Choice

Some people love to compare Flowey to other "trapped child" tropes, but stacking him up against characters like my example the Five Nights at Freddy's ghost kids exposes just how much agency Asriel actually had:

| Attribute | FNAF Ghost Kids (Freddy, Chica, etc.) | Asriel / Flowey |

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| Mobility & Freedom | Trapped in a fixed location (pizzeria); can only move during the night. | Total freedom. Can burrow anywhere in the Underground, travel instantly, and cross boundaries. |

| Cognitive Growth | Stunted. Blinded by primal rage, confusion, and animalistic instinct. | Advanced. Learns complex psychological manipulation, studies physics/time mechanics, and reads people. |

| Social Agency | Isolated. Cannot speak or form complex relationships; can only scream and attack. | Highly Social. Holds complex conversations, forms secret partnerships (Papyrus), and pulls strings. |

| Time Spent | Stuck in a linear, agonizing loop of the exact same mechanical routine. | Spent thousands of lifetimes exploring every single choice, dialogue tree, and outcome possible. |

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## 5. The Soulless Psychology: Practicality vs. Toxic Emotion

The fandom claims being soulless makes you a blank slate, but the text shows a massive psychological split between how Chara and Asriel handle being soulless.

* Chara (Practical and Efficient): In the Genocide route, Chara treats the world like a clinical math equation. They don't kill out of sadistic joy; they look at the stats. When it's time to erase the world, they just strike. It is cold, calculated logic.

* Asriel (Impulsive and Deeply Emotional): Flowey claims he can't feel, but he is a swirling vortex of volatile, unchecked emotion. He experiences intense frustration, petty spite, panic, and sadistic glee.

In the real world, what stops people from acting on bad impulses isn't just pure love—it is the fear of permanent consequences, shame, and social boundaries. With the power to RESET, Flowey lost his internal brakes. Losing his soul didn't turn him into a robot; it stripped away his filters, exposing that underneath his polite "prince" persona was a deeply needy, obsessive individual who was entirely willing to tear the world apart for his own entertainment.

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## 6. The Final Hypocrisy: Creating a Personal Hell

The defense that "he only did bad things because he was a soulless flower" completely shatters during the final boss fight.

When Flowey absorbs the human and monster souls to become the God of Hyperdeath, he is no longer empty. He is overflowing with the literal power of empathy. He explicitly tells Frisk he can feel the hearts of every monster beating inside him.

Yet, with all that newfound capacity for love and understanding, he chooses to weaponize it to torture a child. He doesn't use his god-like power to immediately break the barrier or heal his grieving parents. Instead, he tries to trap Frisk in a perpetual loop of agonizing combat forever, explicitly projecting Chara's identity onto them, solely because his personal, selfish desire to not be lonely matters more to him than anyone else's freedom.

He wouldn't kill strangers to save his sibling at the human village, but he happily slaughtered his own parents across countless timelines out of pure boredom, and intentionally built a personal hell for Frisk the second he got his feelings back.


r/Undertale 1h ago

Theory Why does nobody talk about this dialogue? It is similar to the Dess one in the code. You can get to it when backtracking in Waterfall after killing Toriel.

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r/Undertale 22h ago

Discussion Stop overcomplicating the connection between UT and DR

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I was regrettably scrolling through yt shorts and came across a short about UT and DR. People in the comments were making all of these theories about their connection. There was something about Gaster for some reason. They're AUs, right? Deltarune is an AU where the war never happened, and that's it. Why are we complicating this so much


r/Undertale 21h ago

Discussion THE TRUTH ABOUT FLASHBACK??? (IT'S NOT GASTER) (MAYBE CLICKBAIT)

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r/Undertale 10h ago

Original creation What if...?

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By the way, Kris is 32 here, and Frisk too.


r/Undertale 20h ago

Question What does this mean (context in body)

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My friend who has played undertale and deltarune sent me a quiz or smth and I got this, what does it actually mean in the context of the setting


r/Undertale 20h ago

Question genocide deltarune?

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Sorry if the wrong tag i posted the same question in r/deltarune but got removed idk why

So i finished normal run with 0 kills in deltarune and made ralsie proud and im kinda scared of what toby may do in the wierd route but im wondering is there is a point in doing kill everyone run? Is there is a huge enough different or just less friends? Im ready to kill half of the friend i made there im not intrested in the characters like i was with undertale characters stopping me of starting genocide so is there is a point or should i just start the wierd route? And is there is a wierd route in chapter 1? I just know that it need Noelle in chapter 2 and nothing else

PLS NO SPOILERS AFTER CHAPTER 1 ABOUT WIERD ROUTE and ty


r/Undertale 3h ago

Deltarune meme Meme Spoiler

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r/Undertale 12h ago

Original creation Why exactly is Orange a mouse?

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How can the flowers, not counting Flowery or Pink be the Deltarune version of the six human souls yet Orange is a mouse? It’s just weird. Sure you can say the only ones that look close to a human would be yellow or blue but at least Aqua,Seth,and Green have human features to them. Orange on the other hand is just an animal?

My little oc is this for the human in undertale, her name is Coco. She had ginger hair. Her parents named her that because the truth was she really was a sweet kid just like chocolate and not the tough girl persona she puts on. She believed she was the strongest human ever and that she could take any monster in the underground. However, she struggled almost against everyone. She used the tough gloves but they were useless on almost every monster. She barely survived monsters like Undyne and Mettaton. Coco was annihilated by Asgore. The reason why Toby Fox made her a mouse in Deltarune is as she’s slowly dying a little mouse scurried by in the palace and laid next to her once the soul got taken.

I’ve been trying to draw this OC for a bit so I wouldn’t mind any headcanon designs you guys can tell me in the comments all I have is that shes white and ginger.


r/Undertale 20h ago

Deltarune Chapter 3&4 Copies are monochrome Spoiler

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I have discovered the true meaning of “COPIES ARE MONOCHROME”.
The Dreamurrs have a black and white copy machine/printer.
Kris tried copying the ace of diamonds and them coloring them in to cheat at cards. A pink ruddin says the line in Mancountry.


r/Undertale 22h ago

Other Flowey when you ask him to actually do something and stop being a lazy fat chud stalker

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r/Undertale 11h ago

Discussion At some point, Was the need for an official translation into other languages ​​discussed? (French, Italian, German, Korean etc.)

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A few months ago, the issue of a Spanish translation for Undertale and Deltarune was brought up again.

The discussion got out of control and that's not the point right now, What was it like to experience these video games in other languages ​​without an official translation? Do you think it's necessary for several other languages?

Thanks a lot.


r/Undertale 11h ago

Discussion What year do you all think the events unfolded?

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Okay i know its a old topic to ask but this image makes it clear the war happened in the medieval period AT BEST, so the monster vs human war was likely 1,000+ years ago. Since the sprite intro we see is most likely chara, if it was in 201X, that means the events of chara falling are anywhere from 2010 to 2019, im used 2015 for my opinion due it being the year undertale came out for windows, then we got to account for the dialogue "legends say that those who climb the mountain never return." Legends implies its old history, For a real-world geographic location to lose its physical reality and turn into a "myth," centuries have to pass without human interference. This means there are centuries between each fallen human for it to happen, monsters use discarded technology of humans, for example papyrus and sans use a flat screen tv but the design is much older to most, this implies monsters used whatever they gained from humans to invent their own versions of it, we know monsters also dont know who toriel truly is, only gerson and asgore remember toriel as the queen and gerson treats it as ancient history so by the time frisk fell down, generations of monsters had to have passed


r/Undertale 19h ago

Other Selling 1 ticket for UNDERTALE Symphony Chicago 9/5 at3 PM - $70 OBO

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Hi! Unfortunately I can no longer make it to the UNDERTALE: The Determination Symphony in Chicago this Saturday, so I’m looking to sell my ticket.

Date: Saturday, September 5, 2026

Time: 3:00 PM

Venue: Auditorium Theatre, Chicago

Seat: MBLCCR, O row, seat 312

Price: $70 OBO (bought with $97.02)

I bought the ticket directly through Ticketmaster. I can transfer the ticket directly to the buyer through Ticketmaster Ticket Transfer.

Please comment or DM me if interested.


r/Undertale 3h ago

Discussion Real question. What is everbody problom with the idea of dess being a bad person

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Real question, what everyone problom with the idea of dess being a bad person.

I have seen people cell it "the worst theory ever made" but it got a strong nartive with Daltrune main theam being the idea of stuck at the past. The only thing I have gotten is people hatting the idea of dess groming kris. Saying "it's to dark." Even if this is the same game that let you comite a double suicide by drowning your self at the lake.


r/Undertale 7h ago

Discussion GOODBYE

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Hello, I’m Daster. First of all, I want to clarify that I’m someone who is connected to a content creator. I want to bring attention to some of the things that have happened because I have access to private information that was shared with me with permission. After everything that happened today regarding the Discord server and the minor involved, I decided to talk about some of the conflicts that have taken place within the community.

— Deleted messages:

This is not something that started overnight. It had been happening for quite some time. I was also a witness to comments being deleted when they contradicted his videos. One well-known example was the controversy surrounding Lovedtale. I provided evidence that challenged the claims made in the video, and shortly afterward, my comment was deleted. On another occasion, I brought up a conflict involving him, and he deleted his own comment without any clear explanation.

— TikTok group:

DUSTIN created a group that was supposedly meant for “socializing” with his friends and members of the community. However, the group eventually became a place where he himself shared suggestive images, and he later deleted an image that was particularly concerning.

— Discord:

His Discord server has also been involved in several issues, including situations where members of his own audience have attacked people who disagree with DUSTIN or criticize him.

Some people might say, “He’s just an edgy guy,” or “Everyone does things like that.” But realistically, there is a serious contradiction here: someone who claims to dislike misinformation spreading misinformation for his own benefit, an 18-year-old acting like a child while arguing over who has more influence or power over others, and someone misleading his own audience.

As someone who is just starting out as a content creator myself, I find this extremely hypocritical.

(As of today, I am distancing myself from everything related to him. If you have any questions or need evidence, just let me know. I’ll be happy to provide what I can.)


r/Undertale 12h ago

Question How to trigger Genocide route?

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I recently got the game and it is my second playthrough (the first I spared everyone) so now I'm doing the genocide route. I don't know if I've triggered anything though.

I haven't spared any bosses (I just passed Mettaton EX), any random encounters, and I think the most positive thing I've done is find Temmies collage which I don't think would effect a run. I haven't befriended anyone (of course).

Nothing special happens at saves or anything, so I'm not sure. Should I be going back to Snowdin, Waterfall, and Hotland before going into the castle and all that? Please let me know, thanks!


r/Undertale 13h ago

Deltarune Chapter 5 How yall feel about my matchup thing i made Spoiler

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r/Undertale 16h ago

Other The determination symphony

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Hi yall.

I was wondering if the determination symphony tour happens every year or if this is a one time thing. I missed the opportunity to go in LA because of work and college. Undertale had such a big impact on my life that missing the two days they were here genuinely broke my heart. Im not gonna be able to go out to one because I dont know anyone in other cities/cant afford a hotel. I wanna figure out if its a one time thing so I know weather or not I missed my chance. Or if its something I can genuinely look foward to next year. Thank you


r/Undertale 9h ago

Question At the recommendation of several people, I'm working on something with Pink.

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I'm open to ideas.


r/Undertale 18h ago

Deltarune Chapter 3&4 hometown is missing basic needs Spoiler

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hometown has all the basics but its missing alot where to the character buy cloths, tecnoligy, cars, video games and a lot more things that the characters own but there doesnt seem to be a store selling them they are also not enough houses for the people and the schools only seem to have enough room for 3 grades


r/Undertale 3h ago

Question Why did crossover-au decline in the Undertale community?

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This image is one I drew; it's the one that got me into the Undertale community through Undertoad.

Recently, crossover AUs have almost completely disappeared from the Undertale community. From their initial popularity, including Megalo music that resonated with fans of both series and accompanying AU storylines and character designs, which even lured fans of third-party IPs into Undertale, they've now fallen into near obscurity. Some believe these AUs have no market in the community, while others attribute the problem to the proliferation of Sans fanfiction, arguing that the predicament of fully-fledged AUs is similar.

However, some critics argue that crossover AUs inevitably suffer from out-of-character (OOC) and reskinned versions, and therefore shouldn't be encouraged by the Undertale community. Some even consider it cultural invasion, leading to the formation of dedicated organizations to sabotage them, ultimately resulting in their abandonment by the community.

Personally, however, I believe crossover AUs are more beneficial than harmful. The advantages they bring to the community outweigh the disadvantages. Without them, I would almost certainly not have known about Undertale in 2017 or 2018.


r/Undertale 11h ago

Discussion Fandom case

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Hello, my name is Mateo. I’m new to Reddit and I’m still not very familiar with how to use it. In fact, I asked my brother to help me create my account and learn how to make posts in different communities.

I want to share something that happened to me within the Undertale community. Last year, I discovered a content creator from this community. Because of their content, I started to become more interested in the game and the community itself, so at the time I really admired them.

At one point, they announced that they were going to open a Discord server where their followers could interact, share their opinions, and discuss possible ideas for future videos. It took me about a month to create a Discord account because I usually had to ask my brother or my mother for help, and neither of them was available at the time.

When I finally joined the server, I started noticing some things that made me uncomfortable. Among them were images that I considered inappropriate or too suggestive for an environment where younger people could also be present.

However, what stood out to me the most was the way the creator treated some opinions from their own community. From what I personally observed, when someone had an opinion that differed from theirs, they would sometimes respond in a way that seemed insulting or dismissive. I also felt that there was some toxic behavior toward certain members.

At the time, I didn’t really know what to do. I told my brother about the situation, and he said he would try to find a way to expose what was happening, although back then I didn’t really understand what he meant.

As the months passed, I forgot most of what had happened. However, recently, someone I had previously told about my experience mentioned that screenshots and information related to this creator had become public. That made me remember my own experience, so I decided to share it.

I’m not making this post to encourage anyone to attack, harass, or bother the creator. I simply want to share my experience as someone who was 12 years old when this happened and who genuinely admired this person at the time.

I’m currently 13, and my brother still helps me when it comes to making friends or interacting with people online. After this experience, I think it’s important to be careful when participating in online communities and when looking up to people on the internet.

That’s why I decided to share my experience with my brother present and with his help. I’m not trying to claim that my experience represents the entire community. I’m simply explaining what I personally experienced and how it made me feel.