r/theunforgiven Jun 09 '24

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Welcome to r/theunforgiven!

This is a community where we share and discuss topics related to the Dark Angels, their successor chapters, and the fallen. If you want to share or discuss a topic about Space Marines or Warhammer 40k in general, without particular connection to the Unforgiven, then r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k would likely be a better fit.

Before posting

Please have a quick look at our rules before submitting a post or comment. You can find them in the sidebar or the landing page of our wiki (linked below). We'd also appreciate it if you did a quick search in the subreddit before submitting a post, in case your question was already asked and answered or the topic discussed recently.

Quick links

Here's a list of shortcuts to some of our most useful resources. Explore them at your leisure.

The community wiki

  • Landing page (subreddit rules and administrative information)
  • Lore page (narrative information on history, culture, and chapter organization)
  • Hobby page (information on building and painting)
  • Miniatures page (information on the model range and collectibles)
  • Gameplay page (resources on competitive play and FAQs/Erratas)

Informational PDFs (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

Lore analyses (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

  • MMH#1 - What is the Inner Circle, and who is in it?
  • MMH#2 - What separates a Master from a Grand Master or Supreme Grand Master?
  • MMH#3 - What is the relationship between the 'Captain' rank and the 'Company Master' title?

Frequently Asked Questions

-What would happen if X occurred in the 40k universe?

Impossible to answer, unless X has already occurred. We can predict the future and discuss hypotheticals in our own universe because it is governed by natural laws. If a stone is dropped, it will fall (assuming nothing prevents it from doing so).

The 40k universe is fictional, and is governed entirely by it’s authors. If a stone is dropped, it will behave exactly as the author desires it to behave. No justification or explanation is needed. We only know what the author desires if they have made it happen already. We thus know for example that Lion beat Angron in their fight on Wyrmwood, but we don’t know who would win if they battled again in the future.

-Can I/am I allowed to do Y?

You can/are allowed to do anything you want with models you own, within the confines of your local laws. Where other people are involved (eg playing a game), you will need the agreement of those people. As long as everyone involved consents, you can do whatever you want (including changing game rules, playing with proxies, etc). Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-What base size should I use for model Z?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating base size. Some competitive tournaments and events enforce their own rules, search for those if you need guidance. In general, casual players seem to agree that you should use the latest base size the model is/was sold with, or the base size the model was supplied with when you bought it. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How strictly should models match their datasheet/equipment?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating how closely models must represent their datasheet. The answer may vary between each casual group and competitive tournament/event. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How should I paint fliers/Dreadnoughts/Terminator-characters etc?

However you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who gets to wear robes/winged helmets/etc?

Whoever you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who’s in the Ravenwing/Deathwing/Inner Circle?

See the Chapter Organization section of Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above), or the relevant pages on Lexicanum.

-Could you identify a model for me?

See the Dark Angels Collectors' Guide (linked above). If the model you're trying to identify isn't in there, then it isn't an official Dark Angels model. If so, ask elsewhere, eg in r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k, or search through the miniatures portal on Lexicanum.


r/theunforgiven 1h ago

Showcase Jump Captain for my Dark Angel Successors

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r/theunforgiven 10h ago

Painting Almost finshed Deathwing knights

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150 Upvotes

I think this might be the best faces I have done but it might just be that they finally do not have googly eyes!


r/theunforgiven 18h ago

Showcase Deathwing Knight!

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416 Upvotes

Painted up this guy to test the scheme for my Deathwings!


r/theunforgiven 12h ago

Showcase Recently Completed Hellblaster

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131 Upvotes

Recently completed a Hellblaster with a first real attempt at Eavy Metal in a long time. Just nine more to go..


r/theunforgiven 7h ago

Painting Azrael, reporting for duty

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31 Upvotes

Finally finished Azrael after months of plucking away at him one section at a time. The scabbard is disfigured since it’s meant to be held by the watcher. I did a little to fill the gaps with sprue goo but it doesn’t bother me since I’m pretty pleased with the rest of the model. This was also one of my first “good” attempts at wet blending for the robes.


r/theunforgiven 11h ago

Painting I think my motor pool is ready to go!

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58 Upvotes

I find vehicles a little tricky compared to infantry but I’m really happy with how these came out!


r/theunforgiven 14h ago

Showcase Finally picked a direction to go in for my DA army.

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94 Upvotes

r/theunforgiven 14h ago

News/Rumors Lazarus Gone?

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57 Upvotes

r/theunforgiven 16h ago

Showcase Deathwing Terminators

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70 Upvotes

Rejoice brothers, for 5 warriors of the first are joining our collective Deathwing

Thank very much for your initial input on the basecoat of those guys. It was my first time using an airbrush and it came out a lot lighter than expected but after amazing positive input, I chose to roll with it 😁


r/theunforgiven 13h ago

Army List Pure Deathwing into Knights

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I had a lot of fun with this list. My opponent plays mainly Imperial Knights or Custodes and i wanted to show him how it is to constantly have to deal with 2+/4++. It is by far not an optimal list, but it was good to try something other for once in a while, so i chose inner circle Task force and librarius. Sadly i didn't take much fotos. I won with 99 to 77.

The list:

dw (2000 points)

Space Marines

Dark Angels

Inner Circle Task Force and Librarius Conclave (3 Detachment Points)

Reconnaissance

Strike Force (2000 points)

Attached Units

Attached Unit 1

Captain in Terminator Armour (95 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Relic weapon

1x Storm bolter

• Enhancement: Eye of the Unseen

Deathwing Knights (240 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 1x Watcher in the Dark

• 1x Knight Master

• 1x Great weapon of the Unforgiven

• 4x Deathwing Knight

• 4x Mace of absolution

Attached Unit 2

Chaplain in Terminator Armour (90 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Crozius arcanum

1x Storm bolter

• Enhancement: Champion of the Deathwing

Deathwing Knights (240 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 1x Watcher in the Dark

• 1x Knight Master

• 1x Great weapon of the Unforgiven

• 4x Deathwing Knight

• 4x Power weapon

Attached Unit 3

Librarian in Terminator Armour (110 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Force weapon

1x Smite

1x Storm bolter

• Enhancement: Fusillade

Deathwing Terminator Squad (330 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 1x Watcher in the Dark

• 1x Deathwing Sergeant

• 1x Power weapon

1x Storm bolter

• 9x Deathwing Terminator

• 3x Chainfist

1x Cyclone missile launcher

1x Plasma cannon

6x Power fist

8x Storm bolter

CHARACTERS

Lion El’Jonson (265 points)

• Warlord

• 1x Arma Luminis

1x Fealty

OTHER DATASHEETS

Ballistus Dreadnought (150 points)

• 1x Armoured feet

1x Ballistus lascannon

1x Ballistus missile launcher

1x Twin storm bolter

Land Raider (220 points)

• 1x Armoured tracks

2x Godhammer lascannon

1x Hunter-killer missile

1x Multi-melta

1x Storm bolter

1x Twin heavy bolter

Land Raider Redeemer (260 points)

• 1x Armoured tracks

2x Flamestorm cannon

1x Hunter-killer missile

1x Multi-melta

1x Storm bolter

1x Twin assault cannon

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r/theunforgiven 13h ago

Gameplay Changes to wrath of the rock

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I just realized with oath going away inescapable justice will have to go too (or they just change what it does idk I’m shootin in the dark). What would you guys like to see it replaced with? Maybe keep it 2 cp and it’s one of our Strats that grants oath?

Edit: based on the context you all added, mainly with detachments getting a full rework to the point that wrath might not even exist after October (at least the -1 to wound rule). This is a bigger change than I realized and seems that our entire DNA as a faction is changing.

Remains to be seen if for better or worse.


r/theunforgiven 16h ago

Painting Presenting my Dark Angel Tactical Marine and his Grim Bright Painting Tutorial!!! Description in first reply...

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r/theunforgiven 1h ago

Army List First army

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I want to make DA army for 1k point and i would like to use deathwing terminators/knights. Is there something should change (i use gladius task force detachment)


r/theunforgiven 16h ago

Building Lost the iron halo on the bladeguard but found a suitable replacement

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Thoughts? It's the back banner from the old DWK kit.


r/theunforgiven 3m ago

Lore Resurrect the Hexagrammaton

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I'm creating a DA successor chapter that openly marks themselves as the Six Wings reborn. Would it be weird to use the wings as an alternative to the Codex compliance (as much as it is) of the Angels themselves?


r/theunforgiven 1h ago

Army List Aid Brothers!

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I have an upcoming game against Russ' dogs and I was looking for some list advice. I am running the Lion's Blade Task Force and Fulguris Task Force detachments and taking the Purge the Foe disposition. He is a fairly veteran player and seems to run more competitive lists. I am expecting terminators. What advice would you give me about my list?


r/theunforgiven 17h ago

Gameplay Azrael/Judiciar/Sternguard

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Theres a very solid chance this won't actually be usable after the new codex drops but for maybe a month or so, this is playable

The question being: is it *good*? All dev wounds with sustained and if you're feeling spicy, ancient weapons on the Jude.

Thoughts? Too much for an honor guard unit?​


r/theunforgiven 1d ago

Showcase Blade guard judiciary proxy

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Y'all think this reads? (Also ignore the blade guard on the right, he was the first time I tried the bone armour and didn't like it lol. Still need to repaint him)


r/theunforgiven 7h ago

Painting Just fumbled the varnish application. Any ideas how to fix it?

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r/theunforgiven 14h ago

Army List Oops no infantry!

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Hey gang, getting back into 40k in a casual way, i’ve painted what feels like hundreds of blue space marines and I’m looking at changing it up a bit… to green/bone/black space marines… Heres my rough list for 1000 points:

1x techmarine (warlord)
1x techmarine
1x redemptor dread
1x ballistus dread
1x land raider redeemer
1x land raider phobos

This is a bit of a meme list utilising what i have unpainted already, but I’m also going for a bit of a dreadwing/ironwing vibe. I know in terms of actually taking objectives/performing actions it will be unsuccesful but would people actually play against it? Essentially i want to do low model count space marines!
Thanks in advance gang!


r/theunforgiven 1d ago

Misc. Give me your "Best Old" model

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By Best Old, I mean a model you think you would never be able to make/kitbash/paint ever again to that degree, because the God of Minis possessed your body for that brief moment.

Mine is this Judiciar.


r/theunforgiven 12h ago

Army List Intercessors?

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Im going over my army list and I have a 10 count of (Primaris/Regular) Intercessors, but I am looking into getting some more, but the Warhammer website doesn't have regular Primaris Intercessors anymore. How good are the other Intercessors: Assault and Heavy? Which is better?


r/theunforgiven 1d ago

Meme/joke New Arrival

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274 Upvotes

Note came packaged in the shipping, gave me a good chuckle when I spotted it. Cool as it was to find, as a proud son of the Lion I believe this calls for an honor duel


r/theunforgiven 16h ago

Army List Returning to DA - List Advice

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Hey guys! After only playing Drukhari for like a year and a half I kinda feel like mixing it up with some tankier armies for a change. I was playing DA before so I figured I’d dust the boys off the shelve and give them a whirl. I wanted to play something tanky and with some back line firepower. I would like to know what you guys think about it and what you would change. I don’t have any speeder sadly nor bikes in my collection.