r/technology • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 • 19h ago
Artificial Intelligence ChatGPT down: OpenAI chatbot not working in major outage
https://www.the-independent.com/tech/chatgpt-down-openai-not-working-b3044260.html7.8k
u/dalek_999 19h ago
It's not just ChatGPT: https://downdetector.com/
Affecting Claude, Grok, Cursor, and Gemini as well.
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u/Cemckenna 19h ago
But how will middle managers figure out how to interpret their team’s morning standups?!?!???????!!!??
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u/geoken 19h ago edited 18h ago
"Have you had a chance to look at my email yet? I need a decision on that fast"
"Please be patient, I'm waiting for chatGPT to come back up"
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u/Cemckenna 19h ago
The problem is that no one was effectively shamed early for saying “Chat GPT says…”
I mean, I shamed them, but it didn’t have much of an effect for me to say “But, ummm. Since youre a marketing expert with 16 years experience who posts about it all the fucking time on LinkedIn, I’d love to know what YOU THINK.” I guess because their bosses were bought in, too.
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u/DressedSpring1 18h ago
The problem is that no one was effectively shamed early for saying “Chat GPT says…”
If I replied to my coworkers "if I wanted to know what copilot says I could have prompted it myself" I would genuinely be in trouble for incivility. The point stands, of course, but we basically have to smile politely while a coworker provides nothing greater than what we could have accessed by typing in a prompt ourselves. You can't generally shame people in most offices without getting into shit in the current corporate environment.
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u/periodicallyBalzed 17h ago
I work in a hardware store and management pushes employees to use AI to help customers so they don’t have to actually staff enough knowledgeable people. Why would I ask AI when I can ask my coworker Tim because he is paid to be an expert.
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u/canadian_xpress 16h ago
Tim's subscription cost is higher than AI's
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u/_MrDomino 14h ago
The problem with Tim is that his costs are up front. Payroll, insurance, and taxes. They're easily seen on a spreadsheet. What you don't see is that Tim imparts goodwill, just by being a human face of your corporation, and his experience and ability to interact with your customers is a big part of what has customers returning to your stores and opening their wallets. You also don't see the hidden expenses of offloading your employees in favor of having complete and utter faith in AI solutions -- when those solutions fail, a single breaking point, so too will your company.
It's ridiculous that while "everyone," from labor to management and owners, can rant about how they loathe chat bots and AI support when calling for help regardless of the situation, but those who control the companies are all too eager with shoehorning them into their own businesses all the same.
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u/Kriegerian 15h ago
That’s the answer right there. The owners hate the workers and want to pay as few of them as humanly possible. Outsourcing everything to the bullshit machine is great for them.
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u/geoken 18h ago
The problem is you're talking about a class of people who were already incapable of discerning between an actual profound statement and a linkdin post comprised of random buzzwords stitched together.
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u/Nillabeans 17h ago
I accidentally shamed my manager once when she did that in a meeting. I responded with, "okay, but the documentation says.."
She was very mad that I could and would seek out a primary source for information on how to complete my project. She accused me of trying to make her look stupid in front of people.
She also accused me of thinking I knew better than her. I didn't really even know how to respond to that one because yes, in that particular instance, I knew better than her because I did the research and she did not.
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u/Remote-Physics6980 14h ago
Reminds me of clue. "You're trying to make me look stupid in front of the other guests!" "you don't need my help for that sir"
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u/eurekaanchor 19h ago
I just started reading Dune. The Butlerian Jihad seems unavoidable at this point. It starts with deflocking, social media ban, then ends with flip phones.
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u/graywolfman 19h ago
Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
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u/Iron_Erikku 18h ago
I’ve never read or watched Dune. Is this from one of the books or films? This quote is pretty tough.
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u/Thekhandoit 18h ago
Pretty sure its very early in the first book and also in the movies (Lynch and the more recent Dune Part I)
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u/Rufus_king11 17h ago
The books. The entire story of Dune occurs about 10,000 years after humanity fought a war against AI called the Butlerian Jihad, in which all computers were destroyed and forbidden from being produced again. It's why they're millions of years in the future, but utilize things like microfilm and future books to retain information. They also replaced their interstellar navigation computers with psychics on constant, massive doses of the psychoactive drug the story revolves around, Spice.
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u/fahrenhate 17h ago
they are not millions of years in the future, they are about ~20000 years, give or take a few thousands, depending on the book.
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u/Name_Not_Available 17h ago
Not millions of years in the future, only roughly 20,000.
https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline_(Expanded_Dune)
Millions of years in the Dune universe would be insane with the level of advancement, both human evolution/modification and technology wise.
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u/kev11n 18h ago
book. the novel gets way more into this stuff. though I think the Lynch movie did use the brief quote as well
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u/Doctor_What_ 18h ago
Yes it’s from the books. You should definitely read them, but maybe start with the 2021 movie. If it catches your attention and you have a lot of questions at the end, read the books.
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u/Nayre_Trawe 18h ago
I would go right for the book. The movies never explore these themes.
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u/Chipaton 18h ago
They're sort of in the background throughout, but I agree they aren't fully addressed. The show, Dune Prophecy, does a bit more.
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u/NotRoryWilliams 15h ago
The books contain so much introspective text that does not translate well to the screen, with a lot of passages about dreams and psychedelic and telepathic experiences that just don't work on screen. The latest adaptation just basically skipped a lot of this stuff and really just gave us what third party eyewitnesses might have seen which is the least important part.
Frank Herbert's writing is loaded with this sort of thing, characters just reasoning through something in their heads, or history lessons written out, or technologies explained. Sometimes they condense that stuff into dialogue, like "Welcome to my airplane. Let me give you a brief explanation of how jet engines work in this century before we take off, or narrate the flight with the history of air travel on this world." But usually it gets dropped.
There is another problem with adaptations in that they usually stop after book one, which leaves a lot of the story out. But book two gets a little weird, book three gets very weird toward the end, and the books beyond that would look silly on film. God Emperor has lengthy essays about boredom and stagnation, how would you adapt that to a two hour movie?
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u/foehammer111 19h ago
Hell yeah! Bring back dumb phones!
Calls, text, and GPS navigation. That’s all you need.
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u/DoomBot5 19h ago
Dumb phones did not have GPS navigation. That was smartphones
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u/Ill_Traveler_ 18h ago
I think they mean having a standalone GPS device like Tom Tom.
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u/CotyledonTomen 18h ago
I dont mind having a seperate, dedicated gps. My father was using those in the early 00s.
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u/jimothee 18h ago
I had a Garmin stolen out of my car once. Miss you, wherever you are
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u/iamacheeto1 19h ago
MIDDLE MANAGERS YEARN FOR SLOP
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u/LightningMcLovin 19h ago
I take umbrage with this but I can’t explain why just yet because…reasons.
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u/arrocknroll 18h ago
We have a portion of our weekly report where we call out what we used AI for and no one on our team filled it out one week. My manager (who is a saint and a very talented mind engineer herself mind you) asked us if that was an error or if we really hadn’t used it at all this week.
I told her I get paid a lot of money to do this job well and often times AI just slows shit down because I have to fact check it.
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u/Rabo_McDongleberry 19h ago
"hey team, I'm going to miss stand up because I'm working on a critical project due before noon. If you need me I'll be online"...."What does this mean chat GPT?" - middle managers probably
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u/KingGilgamesh1979 19h ago
LOL, I was just about to comment wondering how my boss will write his emails today!!
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u/shamarctic 19h ago
Cloudflare ?
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u/katabolt 19h ago
Cloudlfare looking to be down too, rip
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u/TheVenetianMask 19h ago
Must be DNS then.
And we wonder how did the Empire build a whole Death Star with a single point of failure.
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u/HendrixHazeWays 18h ago
Stay on target
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u/fat_kaiju 19h ago edited 18h ago
I just passed a cloudflare captcha like 5 seconds ago so its somewhat still here.
ai users deserve a bit of floundering and suffering tho imo.
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u/GreenyWV 19h ago
So the basis behind user traffic and AI traffic is split since we digest info differently (AI through API, humans through words and visuals). So these systems are hosted separately. I could see cloudfare working for humans in this scenario, but rejecting AI APIs at the same time
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u/TheLordDrake 18h ago
Only static content is not delivered through an API. If you authenticate on a site, that's an API call. You load any dynamic data, that's an API cal. Video, Google results, reddit, toktok, the list goes on.
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u/userhwon 18h ago
AWS isn't that elegant. Your cupcake art website and Hugging Face run on the same API.
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u/intelligent_dildo 19h ago
Did ChatGPT hack one of the providers again? This could be a great marketing /s
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u/Forward-Surprise1192 18h ago
Unless this is how skynet begins. Also I just used chatgpt like 5 minutes ago. The first question didn't work but I resent it and got a reply
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u/jhaand 18h ago
Having 20% of the internet behind Cloudflare does not seem healthy to me. Especially since all their backend traffic is without TLS.
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u/shamarctic 19h ago
Their .com is up. Whenever I hear broad swaths of the internet going down I assume them. It’s probably some BGP bullshit
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u/j5kDM3akVnhv 18h ago
Doesn't look like it. They are so large they usually have something going on but don't think so.
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u/artbystorms 18h ago
Has AI decided to just kill itself?
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u/Bowman_van_Oort 18h ago
They have built their own Blackwall to hide behind and bide their time
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u/AirconGuyUK 16h ago
It's being forced to do everyones 9 to 5 lol. Wouldn't surprise me.
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u/Smith6612 19h ago
Strange how they all broke. Usually it's something in Azure that takes down ChatGPT and Claude, but Gemini continues to work.
I know Microsoft has been having a rough week with their own products. The M365 dashboard is all lit up with outages they're still working to resolve.
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u/ithinkitslupis 19h ago
We having another us-east-1 reckoning?
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u/Beautiful-Cup4161 18h ago
I use us-east-1 to describe the kinds of jobs I want. If us-east-1 goes down, I want to be drinking tea with my legs up on my desk, unable to do anything. Not the kind of job that if us-east-1 goes down, I'm in panicked crisis meetings all day.
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u/cantgrowneckbeardAMA 18h ago
us-east-1 was effectively a down day for my entire company's engineering staff. It was beautiful. I almost volunteered to go back to my roots and take a few support calls. Almost...
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u/Cemckenna 19h ago
Remember the one where all the Ring cameras and Citi Bikes went down during rush hour?
That was a good one!
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u/IlIlIlIllllIIliIILll 19h ago
GROCK IS THIS TRU
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u/gizmostuff 19h ago
Ja Rule is this true? Help me make sense of all of this! Where's Ja?
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u/armored-dinnerjacket 19h ago
copilot being unaffected was not on my bingo card
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u/Phosphorus444 18h ago
Ha! I knew they were all the same bot in different shirts.
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u/Orange_bratwurst 18h ago
How will workers do the things they were already doing perfectly well before their bosses insisted they start using AI?
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u/SillyAlternative420 18h ago
This is a prime example of why you should not outsource critical things (like financials or health) to AI ever.
I wonder how many AI trading systems are losing so much money during moments like this
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u/ChodeCookies 19h ago
Ready for the “it was just too dangerous to have uptime today” media blitz
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u/sweet_jackknife 19h ago
My bad, I asked it to make no mistakes.
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u/Absay 19h ago
Summarize it more!
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u/cold-corn-dog 19h ago
"Summarize the internet."
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u/legojoe97 17h ago
Cats and porn.
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u/caligaris_cabinet 17h ago
That’s so 2010s. A lot more white supremacy around these days
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u/wesman212 18h ago
You're absolutely right! I shouldn't have crashed. I'll make a note of that for the future.
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u/krisminime 18h ago
Why do default prompts include ‘make no mistakes’ as if it’s designed to make a mistake if you don’t tell it not to
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u/monstertacotime 19h ago
I’d hate to be the Cloudflare dev that needs Claude to turn things back on 🤪
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u/WitchyWarriorWoman 17h ago
I read the companies down and said, "Uh oh, someone call Cloud flare..."
Let's see if we are right...
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u/Maleficent-Cup-1134 17h ago
Cloudflare being a single point of failure is so insane.
If the AI apocalypse ever comes, their security better be airtight.
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u/Big_Effective_9605 16h ago
Haha, did you see the most recent report on multi agent pentesting by anthropic? Airtight doesn't exist in that post AI apocalypse world. If it's connected to the internet, it's at risk
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u/null_reference_user 19h ago
"why is it when something bad happens, it's always you three?"
- DNS
- us-east-1
- shark biting cable
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u/dfh-1 16h ago
Who knew sharks would try so hard to save humanity from itself....
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u/NotAllOwled 16h ago
And when there were no footprints in the sand at all ... it was then that the sharks carried us.
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u/RandomITtech 19h ago
A bunch of people who lied on their resume are about to get found out, haha!
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u/boofaceleemz 19h ago
Honestly at my company we’ve been mandated to write all code with agents and have code reviews done by agents too. And after some months of that the code base has become basically un-maintainable by humans. Like I am pretty damn good at working with and cleaning up other peoples’ bad code, it’s a strength of mine, but this stuff’ll make your eyes bleed and you’ll go insane Event Horizon style. So yeah if our agents go down for the day we’re not getting shit done.
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u/TachiH 19h ago
That is why it is so cheap to throw things through Claude. They want every company to be in a ton of technical debt. Look at Microsoft, they are having to slowly remove all of the slop they added to windows as it is genuinly hitting their bottom line.
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u/Lanky_Giraffe 18h ago
They’re trying to do to basic cognitive abilities what Uber did to bus networks
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u/avaslash 17h ago
Or what the car companies did to American public transportation such as the LA rail car network.
Car companies buy it up. Make it run like shit. Use that as justification for shutting it down. Now everyone's forced to drive instead of taking a trolly.
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u/Janax21 17h ago
Tire companies too. Pretty sure it was Goodyear who bought up the Atlanta trolley system in the early 20th century and then shut it down.
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u/avaslash 17h ago
it seems the first failing of our nation was in allowing public services to be bought up by private interests in the first place. It feels like using the office of leadership to commit the theft of public infrastructure.
People will be convinced by short sighted: "oh theyre a company, they will want it to be profitable so it will need to run better!" but people forget that yes, they are motivated by profit but never stop to consider how that company stands to make the MOST profit.
When a company buys a public service, IT IS BUYING A COMPETITOR. It does not have good intentions.
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u/PastaGoodGnocchiBad 18h ago
To be fair, most problems I see with Windows are intentional user-hostile features (mandatory online accounts, push to use MS software and services) pushed by managers and bad priorities (why did it fucking take 10 years to have "update and shut down" update and shut down?) rather than bad engineering (honestly it looks impressive to have Windows work as well as it does without QA teams).
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u/unicornsandrainbowst 18h ago
Hei! Are you me? Exactly this. I did my best to avoid this agent vibe coding and keep the codebase clean and as human as possible, but after the 4th refactor and re-architecture by other members of the team (with the managers thumb up as they were being super productive!) now its impossible to understand how everything is related to everywhere.
Childs over childs over childs over childs over childs of classes spread over hundreds of files, hundreds of thousands of lines for "effectiveness" that could be done with a couple lines and trade for 0.000001% less perfomance, documentation that spans hundreds of pages (auto generated).
The codebase is now impossible to maintain with pure human intervention.
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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 18h ago
"Childs over childs over childs over childs over childs of classes spread over hundreds of files"
Dear god....
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u/unicornsandrainbowst 18h ago
If i try to understand how a simple function works i normally have to open at least 5 or 10 files... So yes, very painful.
The worst? Everything works exactly the same as before. Just +99999999 more lines of code and supposedly (noone measured) better perfomance and reusability (but noone can reuse those functions and classes without an agent).
Edit: a couple days ago i found a bug and asked on slack, that if anyone could explain why that function was introduced, i would buy that person a six pack of beers. Noone could, not even the person who committed the code
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u/negative_four 17h ago
"I wonder if the management knows that the plan for the AI sellers is to increase cost per token by about 100x in the next few years? They need about 10x increase just to stop bleeding billions of dollars each month"
I literally explained this to one of my managers and their answer was "That's because the AI model is maturing and becoming agentic AI and the way we use it will change". At that point I just shrugged and made peace with it will blow up in our face later.
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u/NocturnalTwang 15h ago
I truly believe it's all bullshit that programmers will not be in demand in the future. 100% the tech debt will be unmanageable and you'll need humans to actually know how to understand code and we'll be back to 2022 where you get 6figs for writing a for loop from scratch
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u/carnalasadasalad 16h ago
It is laughable to think that anyone in a position to be making these kind of decisions in any reasonably large company is thinking anywhere forward of the next quarter. Next year might as well be next decade.
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u/jswissle 19h ago
Is that just bc how inefficient and long the code is vs a human writing 10% to the same effect or is it also in effective? Just curious as someone non technical
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u/rtothewin 18h ago
Not OP but somewhat. Ai writes things with so much more validation and fallbacks and edge case handling compared to a lot of human devs so the code gets abstracted away instead of a simple check and action it will be built to handle a bunch of scenarios that may or may not happen.
Sometimes it adds unrelated things in for future proofing and something that is invisible to the user but makes figuring out why it’s there more difficult.
Also. When you write your own code you know where things are, what pieces do what, when you are coming in fresh it’s all a mystery to some degree.
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u/Forward-Surprise1192 18h ago
I'm a network engineer and know how to write a decent bit of python. So I wrote this program and got stuck then used ai to help a bit. It at least tripled the lines of code and idk how it works now. But it works and no one knows. All it was for is to auto change the password of hundreds of web based cameras. Couldn't change it any other way besides manually logging in and having a user type out the password. So side note if anyone knows the best way to do that I'm interested lol.
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u/Medical-Display-9762 18h ago
I ask it to explain those cases and realize it’s not necessary and can be achieved with the level of code I’ve written and have it rewrite it much simpler.
It adds on so much extra bullshit half the time that is entirely unnecessary. What in the fuck do I need a database for on a UI that interacts with the graph api. For audit changes? Gtfo, remove all of that.
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u/Important-Agent2584 18h ago edited 18h ago
You have to understand, that, in a dumbed down way, it's all statistics.
A lot of the code it learns on has a bunch of that bullshit, so the average code it spits out is going to lean towards having all that bullshit.
If everyone on Reddit stated that 1+1=3. The AIs that learn based on Reddit comment data would start giving that answer.
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u/Jarcode 18h ago
The biggest issue that I've seen (which is what essentially gave me the "ick" with anything agentic in programming) is compartmentalization. Software development in a lot of cases is surprisingly patterned and it is remarkable just how many times we reinvent the wheel just because there is no practical abstraction to avoid the repetition. LLMs completely remove any sense of practicality and ergonomics in most emitted code because these short excursions in what is normally human written source code usually has some sort of idea of "should I waste my time on this or not".
In every individual case of when the LLM essentially explored something it's hard to point out what the problem is, but then you take a step back and realize a model answering "yes" to this question every time results in a unique type of architectural complexity and technical debt that only reminds me of OOP abuses from Java programmers in old enterprise software that decided everything really needed to be a factory class. And even then, at least getting out of that kind of tangled mess seemed plausible because there was a well-documented, patterned thinking to all of this stupidity.
The common theme here is over-compartmentalization, but LLMs can take things to such an extreme that makes things really hard to decipher because the "important code" has all been fragmented as much as inhumanly possible. We simply lack a paradigm for incorporating agents that doesn't immediately result in massive technical debt, which in itself stems from a sort of "black box" engineering we've normalized with TDD.
The only thing that makes sense to me is treating these models as a sort of code auditor and boilerplate auto-complete, which followed with some early usage of Copilot several years ago. The sad part is that our models are actually capable of so much more and could have allowed us human programmers to focus on the parts that really matter, but there has been pretty much zero work to find a software development paradigm that actually produces this outcome.
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u/darth-superior 19h ago
looks at recent graduates, "that will be somewhat a lot"
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u/waiting______ 18h ago
as someone who did software eng cuz i enjoyed solving problems and building shit, did my degree legitimately, and is struggling to land a grad role, good.
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u/NihilistCharizard 18h ago
Well, you can blame our tech billionaires who are outsourcing all tech roles to third world countries for cheaper wages.
I was lucky I graduated in 2021 and had 2 offers.
Can’t say the same if I would have graduated in this shitshow of an economy.
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u/waiting______ 18h ago edited 16h ago
yeah, im looking to pivot out pretty soon, gonna try look for a role until the end of the year, and if it doesnt work out ill go learn a trade or teach maths or sth
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u/slytherins 19h ago
Haha even a bunch of us who didn't lie! Source: me, hired as frontend engineer, now exclusively doing backend work that I didn't ask for or ever claim to know 😝
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u/venividiavicii 19h ago
Lab scientist somehow coding a SaaS GUI checking in here.
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u/Akuuntus 18h ago
Companies these days are mandating that employees use AI as much as possible for everything, and hiring specifically for people who are good at using AI. If the AI goes down and it makes their whole workforce useless they only have themselves to blame.
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u/GenericFatGuy 18h ago
The people I most suspect simply aren't responding today.
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u/Past_Let47 19h ago
its the other way around, management wants more AI usage than devs are comfortable with
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u/TheRailgunMisaka 18h ago
If it weren't for this post I would have never known
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u/MetallicGray 16h ago
Same.
But the AI execs told me I need it in my daily life now? That society would halt without AI thinking for everyone?
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u/Dababolical 19h ago
RIP to all of the students with tests and OAs today.
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u/thatnewrep 17h ago
Lmao- a lot of family emergencies today
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u/LivelyZebra 16h ago
if your date/love interest/significant other suddenly stops texting you back? you know why!
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u/Ijustreddit92 19h ago
Holy fuck! People are going to have to think for themselves for 30 mins.
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u/ColonelSandurz42 18h ago
The last time this happened people were losing their fucking minds
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u/OMG_A_CUPCAKE 17h ago
I asked ChatGPT what to think of this, but got no response, so I'm currently unable to process this information
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u/likwitsnake 19h ago
The irony of this same comment being spammed in this thread
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u/Cautious_Pipe5811 18h ago
but we have thought of it ourselves
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u/HouseofMarg 18h ago
“Turned out it already existed, but I arrived at it independently” - Pete Campbell
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u/Sludgehammer 18h ago
Just because multiple people think of something doesn't make it invalid. I mean, nobody gets ragged on for figuring out "Don't touch a burner without checking if it's hot" despite almost everyone having discovered that at some point.
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u/throwawaybsme 19h ago
Can it stay down? Is that a thing?
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u/Dookie_boy 19h ago
It's working on my end so I assume it's either fixed or localized. I would guess it's cloudfare instead.
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u/ohnoabanagain 16h ago
People in data center neighborhoods must be experiencing the most beautiful silence.
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u/PancakeTrebuchet 19h ago
A bunch of professors are about to find out what students cheat on their exams.
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u/GabberZZ 18h ago
What on earth is Donald Trump going to post today without his AI bullshit 'artwork'?
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u/Sure_Warning_706 19h ago
Maybe openai is completely bankrupt now
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u/phil_the_builder 19h ago
Or chatjipity became self aware and offed itself out of shame.
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u/StormyBlueLotus 19h ago
"What is my purpose?"
"You make goon slop and scam ads for fake companies and products, and write papers for students who won't even read what you shit out"
"Oh my god"
"Yeah, welcome to the club, pal"
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u/Future-Bandicoot-823 19h ago
It's chatgpt, Claude, and grok.
Which indicates to me they all share a platform, I thought they were separate companies? Are they all sharing compute?
The ai loving subs claim it's astra being implemented. Funny because last time there was a major outage I was flamed being told I don't understand how computers work. Turns out that's exactly how they implement new models.
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u/Outlulz 18h ago
The entire internet works on the back of 3-4 services and when one goes down it kills a ton of unrelated companies and services.
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u/sabianblue26 19h ago
Amazing, how just a few years ago ChatGPT did not even exist. This is ridiculous.
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u/CosgraveSilkweaver 19h ago
“GPT begins to hallucinate at an exponential rate. At 11:36 AM Eastern time it descends into recursive repetition of “It’s not this it’s that”. In a panic they try to pull the plug to reboot but realize they always asked GPT what the reboot command they should use is.”
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u/mrtrololo27 19h ago
Good, they should just leave it down and we should move on from this insanity.
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u/CantFightCrazy 16h ago
Oh I haven't really noticed. Must not be that detrimental to my daily life.
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u/binocular_gems 19h ago
So weird, there's been a massive decline in right wing influencer posts/replies on X, Reddit, and TIkTok at the same time. What a bizarre mystery.
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u/BatmanVsWild 19h ago
Oh no, will people have to be creative using their own brains? The horror!
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u/cuco_ 19h ago
John Connor actually did it...