r/pcmasterrace • u/heeroo0 • 10h ago
News/Article Microsoft Announces Big Changes to Xbox Cloud Gaming, Switches to Monthly Hour Limits
https://www.ign.com/articles/microsoft-announces-big-changes-to-xbox-cloud-gaming-switches-to-monthly-hour-limits635
u/fogoticus RTX 3080 O12G | i7-13700KF 5.5GHz | 32GB 4000Mhz 9h ago
15 hours a month? A MONTH? YOU CAN RUN THAT INTO THE GROUND IN 2 SESSIONS. Geforce now limits your sessions to 6 and 8 hour long sessions but you can start as many sessions you want per day. You can even play for 24 hours straight if you just start after your session ends. What the fuck microsoft?
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u/Youmeanmoidoid i7 10700k- 1070FTW- 64gb DDR4 9h ago
I assume that’s what the decrepit old suits at Microsoft think is a lot of game time.
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u/6786_007 5700x3D | 32Gb | 9070XT 7h ago
Nope. They say you can add more game time for more money. They know exactly what they are doing. They want money.
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u/ThaTsArisky_Click 6h ago edited 6h ago
See the problem is they have a short memory. Arcades died off because we had better and more convenient alternatives at home. I hear kids are really into ships and sailing these days🏴☠️⛵️
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u/dragonknightrohan 6h ago
The problem mainly is the shitty ones in charge currently at Microsoft. Same for other companies.
But ayyye there be ships a plenty sailing the high seas
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u/jadeapple 7h ago
Yea I mean the current Xbox ceo didn’t play games until after joining Xbox so that tracks
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u/BemaJinn || RX 6900 XT OC 16GB || Ryzen 5 5600X || 64Gb DDR4 || 2h ago
To be fair to her, she's under the same pressure as Phil Spencer was - the powers that be kept insisting on more and more profit.
Phil (and probably Asha) are trying their best to get more market share, but the MS execs are demanding more and more instant profit.
Either they're stupid and truly expecting more money from a dwindling user base, or are purposefully trying to tank the Xbox division.
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u/Smartypantz34 Sapphire Nitro+ 6800XT, AMD 9 7900X3D, 32gb DDR5 6000Mhz 8h ago
Might as well just remove the cloud gaming and just have only downloadable games. 15 hours is pointless and thats on the most expensive tier, essential has 5 hours lol
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u/Azuras33 Bazzite: ThreadRipper + 64Go + 2080Ti 3h ago
It act as a entry point, enough time to start a game, but not enough to finish it. And at that point you have 2 solution, waiting 30d for the credit reset, or paying for 10h more.
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u/somethingbrite 3h ago
They don't want you downloading games and playing on hardware that you bought.
They WANT you to be renting from them.
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u/smashdoggyyyyyy 9h ago
Just discovered spotify does this with audiobooks.
And theres no subscription option eiyher.
Olny pay x for 15 more hours lol
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u/Wardogs96 7h ago
.... with spotify its just an add on onto their unlimited music streaming service and podcasts. So its much more understandable as its not the actual fucking service your paying them for.
This is dramatically worse because its the only thing you are paying thr company for.
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u/smashdoggyyyyyy 5h ago
Well when you start listening to a book it doesnt mention that you olny gwt 15 hours a month.
Had to do too much digging to find it out.
But i do agree.
God can you imagine 15$ for 30 songs for 30 days!....
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u/Siguard_ Ryzen 9 7950x | 3080 FTW3 9h ago
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u/crazyfoolguy 9h ago
When I was a young single lad I could burn 8 hours gaming no sweat. Some days I just wanted to be ALONE. 15 hours a month on the highest paid tier is hilariously insulting. I never liked the idea of cloud streaming but for folks who need it, I feel bad for them.
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u/Kitchen-Cabinet-5000 8h ago
Not 2 for me, but 3 or 4… Sure.
5 hours Friday night, 5 hours on Saturday and 5 hours on Sunday….If I’m really into the story of a game I tend to finish them fairly quickly.
15 hours is outrageously little. Especially because you already need Ultimate to get those 15 hours…
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u/Fishiesideways10 8h ago
I’m with you on the schedule, but I pay too much attention to looting, exploration, and mastering the combat in this time. I later find out that I’m 30 hours in and I haven’t even put a dent into the story because I always fear that I’m underpowered. I then get way too bogged down or I lose interest and then go to the next. I’m looking at you, Fallout 4, any assassins creed game, and No Man’s Sky.
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u/Kitchen-Cabinet-5000 8h ago
Oh that happens too with me, when I play those games.
But I tend to play more linear games without much exploration. Once I’m immersed, I can easily sit and play for hours and hours.
15 hours a month is laughably little. Makes the service pretty useless for those that use it as their primary way of playing games.
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u/Fishiesideways10 8h ago
That’s super fair. I love the linear, bumper style games for that aspect. The game I just started is the Blood of the Dawnwalker. It is scary with the time sensitivity, but I like it because it is open world, yet limiting, if that makes sense.
The story, if it is grabbing and holding my attention, will be consumed so dang fast. There’s not many games that do that, but when you find one, it’s game over.
15 hours a month is criminal. They are underestimating and pigeonholing their consumers from using their product. Well, it is also them being greedy as hell with a product that they know is good for the consumer and are now cashing in.
I am glad I swapped to PC and focused in on the Steam ecosystem to further push away from Xbox. They have been laughable more often lately.
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u/Evethewolfoxo R7-9800X3D/5070 12gb/ 32gb-6400 DDR5 9h ago
You’re on reddit. It’s safe to assume people here are playing 4-8 hours a day, even after work days, and upwards of 12-16 on their days off.
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u/DoogleSmile Ryzen 7 9800x3D, Geforce RTX 5090, 64GB DDR5 Odyssey Neo G9 8h ago
As an almost 50 year old, I work 9-5 every day then come home and play games.
Probably around 4-5 hours per night. More on a Wednesday when my friends join me.
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u/Arbszy 7800X3D | RTX 4080 Super | 64GB DDR5 8h ago
Again Sony takes a L and Microsoft is like no we take the L.
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u/DistinctCellar 4h ago
It’s honestly so weird. Like, there has to be something nefarious in the background making them do this because they aren’t that stupid. Something we don’t know about yet etc.
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u/Frosty_Fish1695 9h ago
Steam, take the wheel
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u/Ruxsti 9h ago
My coworkers complain about the price of online sometimes. I ask them what are they talking about, I can play online for free as long as the internet is paid.
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u/TerrorVizyn 5700X-4070-32GBddr4 9h ago
Emulation/classic gaming is looking more attractive by the day.
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u/Calm-Zombie2678 Desktop 9h ago
Ps2 still goes great
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u/TerrorVizyn 5700X-4070-32GBddr4 9h ago
Oh for sure. Over the past 10 or so months, I've played GTA 3, VC, and SA. That's on top of THPS 3/4, Baldur's Gate: DA and more.
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u/TheLastOfKratos 7h ago
Damn. Same here. I played gta the trilogy and devil may cry 1 to 3.
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u/itsnotrocketsurgury 6h ago
Building an offline WoW server and turning the thing into a Skyrim style open world sandbox. Just doing the backend is crazy fun.
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u/zspacekcc 9h ago
Honestly it's super affordable. A device that can play PS2/N64 games is like 250 bucks. Add in a bit more for a large quality SD card and you're able to access 20 years of high quality games from a single device. Add in a basic PC that can run simple puzzle games or older RPGs or platform games and you will have years of content paying less than these services charge in a year.
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u/No_Broccoli_4781 10h ago
This has to be because they are seeing people switching to cloud gaming on TVs and older PCs, because gaming is starting to become unaffordable for a lot of people. This is suck a dik move, literally taking away a tool for people to get through these chaotic times. Worst part is even if everyone stops using gamepass, they won't care because they want that AI money anyways.
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u/Thunderstarer 9h ago
Dick move? Maybe. But this was always the endgame of pushing cloud gaming in the first place.
You will own nothing and be happy.
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u/Sabotstruck R52600X Vega 56 16GB DDR4-3200 7h ago
Ironically if Microsoft wants that endgame and to be a cloud gaming giant, pushing folks away with strict caps will only harm their presence in cloud gaming
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u/Pleasant-Minute-1793 7h ago
No joke, I’ve been slowly switching to board games (analog and digital ones) and older games. Having just as much fun.
AAA games and their studios are just fucking everything up constantly anyway.
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u/BrickBuster2552 15kW Inline 4 Cylinder Internal Combustion 9h ago
Or AI, which is even less profitable.
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u/Therust47 9h ago
Anyone who buys into Cloud game streaming is a Rube, there is no reality where it is not weaponized against consumers in the market.
If you want to stick it to big corps, either don't buy their shit or pirate it, there's no moral obligation to Companies that have demonstrated anti-consumer practices.
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u/singulara 9h ago
Yep, if you buy cloud gaming you are only investing in your own (and everyone else's) future enshittification. They'll need to do something with all those GPUs when they start pulling free tier access to LLMs, after they realise people don't want to spend $50 a month to ask how to make pasta.
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u/Agile-Education-628 10h ago
They’re slipping it in whilst PlayStation is deleting accounts and games. All scum that promise and (planned) backtrack for 🤑🤑🤑
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u/Average_Citizen_117 10h ago
These soulless ghouls forget gaming is a want, not a need. I want to spend my time enjoying a hobby, and I like gaming to be that hobby, but these gaming companies sure seem to hate it when you want to enjoy gaming. Looks like I'm picking up a new hobby soon.
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u/LaundryLunatic 9h ago
The gaming companies are not our friends no matter how much they pretend to be. It's always been a business first. The cost of living and the need for essentials like food, phone, electricity, etc seem to make having a hobby like gaming unaffordable in the future for most people. I've already got a ton of steam and epic games from giveaways, and I don't have the interest or time to play. Between taking care of my family and working 50+ hours a week, I've played Pokémon Go passively.
The bleak news between the cost of hardware, xbox and Sony's company decisions, and the price of hardware going up for the 3 big consoles, including pc hardware will make people abandon this hobby all together for mobile gaming or something else. I've played video games for over 40 years and I'm mentally exhausted. I've already given a bunch of Xbox games to my daughter's friend. I plan to back into reading more books and watch more television again.
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u/Squissaunt 9h ago
I really thought we got over the "Insert coin" pay to play mindset like 30 years ago?
Just sell the servers and give up on streaming while their value is still high and call it a loss holy shit.
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u/Bluemikami i5-13600KF, 9060 XT, 64GB DDR4 10h ago
Micro$$oft saw $ony shooting themselves in the foot and decided they also wanted in.
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u/DaWAAAGHMakah 8h ago
Man console players are really getting fucked. So glad I’m strictly a pc player.
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u/ChosenOfTheMoon_GR 7950x3D | 32GB 6000MHz CL 30 | 7900XTX | AX1600i 9h ago
First tech companies take your ability to get hardware, then they limit the usage the same hardware they have for themselves that they allow you to access simply because they operate as companies.
Fun for YOU will last only as much THEY decide, the question is, will you do anything about it?
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u/TheLastElite01 HTPC | 3080-10G | 5800X3D | X570-E Gaming 9h ago
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u/HeronFew990 8h ago
So 30 minutes a day for gaming? That’s the limit my parents gave me in elementary school. That was all good in the late 80s. It’ll take me five minutes just to configure my controller.
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u/CarlWellsGrave 9h ago
I'm amazed that anyone even uses this. I tried it not to long ago because I heard it was good and it's pretty awful.
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u/WonderSignificant598 9h ago edited 9h ago
Ha.
I dropped using xcloud simply because I didn't like my gaming habits. Amusingly, I was constantly picking up and dropping games and valued none of those games. I finished only two in my six months of playing xcloud on the side, as a 'next gen console replacement'. But, I liked the whole endless play and no install. I really enjoyed not having ANOTHER electronic box taking up space. The quality was fine for me. I even was able to cross play online co-op with IRL buddies. It can work. For me, it DID work.
Way to kill it dead. Just cancel it, xbox. Its over. People are going to leave the hobby rather than go for this. 10 minute idle timeouts drove me insane and were part of why I got rid of it. Fucking have to watch the clock while gaming? Why even fucking pick up the controller? People play games to NOT look at the clock.
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u/riversofgore Steam ID Here 8h ago
Who’s the total moron that came up with that idea? Hourly limits is beyond insane.
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u/IDeizManI 7h ago
Thank god they are doing this.
The more ass cloud gaming is, there will be less and less chances of people going for it, and consequently physical hardware will be less threatened by these crazy corporations trying to put subscriptions on everything.
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u/TheodoreTiddlywinks 9h ago
I cancelled a week ago and it felt good.
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u/DoctorQuincyME 9h ago
I cancelled when they jacked up the price and upgraded my PC just before the rampocolypse
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u/papercut2008uk 7h ago
15 hours a day isn't ba.... 15 hours a MONTH!?
That's the highest you'll be able to get?
I'm glad I don't have to cloud game.
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u/C0haaagen 7h ago edited 5h ago
"Play anywhere"... for a few minutes per day.
"Everything is an Xbox"... for 10 - 30 minutes per day on average, depending on your subscription level.
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u/FirmlyClaspIt 6h ago
I swear Xbox loves taking the thunder away from Sony when Sony is fucking up. These people are stupid
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u/ShubaltzTV 5h ago
"Cloud Gaming is the future!"
-Limits you to what is essentially 10 minutes a day on essential
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u/wolfannoy 1h ago
I wonder if they are hoping that the average person can't afford The average gaming machine may it be a console or PC and hoping this would sell. I don't think it's going to work what they thought.
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u/SirCaptainReynolds 9800x3D | AORUS 5090 | 96GB 5600MHz 8h ago
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u/eddie__b Ryzen 5 5600x - RTX 3070 - 16GB RAM 6h ago
Probably shifting the server load to AI or some bullshit like this
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u/PTSDDeadInside 6h ago
"We're opening an overpriced, low quality, meal replacement delivery service... we can't afford shipping, so a max of 15 meals per month per household"
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u/Joshsaurus RTX 5070 | i5 14600KF | 32GB RAM 1h ago
If it impacts only 4% of the players, why fucking bother changing it for everyone ?
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u/GlastoKhole Ryzen 9 7950X3D, RTX 4080S, 64gb 6000 mhz. 1h ago
Take note people, this is why a lot of people say steam stays winning, they do not do anything. You hear me? Doing nothing is preferable to this. Sony just fucked up and is getting major backlash and instead of doing nothing for a few months and letting them take the smoke for it, Microsoft goes hold my beer ima get that smoke too.
Do nothing Microsoft, just sell games and try to sell Xbox’s but do nothing else.
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u/NoTell5251 10h ago
Par for the course, M$ in a healthy market/system wouldn’t be allowed to fail upwards like they have all these years and we’d have more options and services to choose from which in turn would drive innovation and keep prices low.
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u/BucDan 9h ago
Gotta use the compute power for their AI. Cloud gaming is done for.
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u/Whitesecan R7 5800X3D | RTX 4070Ti SUPER 16GB | 64GB DDR4 9h ago
Might as well just end the service.
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u/DoctorQuincyME 9h ago
Microsoft knows that a business can't keep cutting features without adding value somewhere else right? Right?
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u/strife189 9h ago
And so it starts. I wonder how “shocked” the streamer defenders will be. They won’t move the goalposts and keep wanting more $ for giving less, they say. 😂😂
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u/looking_good__ 8h ago
Just close the service like 5 hour limit per month that's a lol. I mean you get a free Saturday, you can burn through that in a day. Honestly hilarious they are even attempting to keep this service up.
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u/PopgirlProtocol 5h ago
Genuinely, the only thing consistent with Microsoft’s strategy has been that for every win they have, a few weeks later they completely soil the bed and step on a huge rake.
15 hours a month for the most premium plan is ridiculous.
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u/obalovatyk Intel 285K | RTX 5080 | 64Gb RAM 5h ago
They are doing everything they can to fuck themselves.
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u/sovietafro1 6h ago
Keep GabeN alive as long as possible... That's all I can say. It's just a race to the bottom with Sony and Microsoft at this rate
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u/cock_mountain 9h ago
Higher prices, time limits, never have the game you want to play, have to sit here and listen to Microsoft bullshit you into thinking any of this is pro-consumer...
You'd have to be a real sucker to get on any subscriptions nowadays.
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u/noonetoldmeismelled 9h ago
I remember when they were hyping up that every purchase you made digitally would be available to stream soon through gamepass/xbox cloud. That's got to have been at least 6 years ago
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u/Bullet-Tech 8h ago
Headline should read
Microsoft kill Xbox cloud gaming for entirely foreseeable reasons.
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u/JardScoot EndeavourOS | Ryzen 5800X | RX 6800XT 8h ago
FFW 2 Business quarters: Introducing the unlimited tier with no hourly limits for an extra $20/mo
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u/HighZ3nBerg 7h ago
It’s like they are trying to see how to kill this product as effectively as possible without pulling the plug.
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u/Aggressive-Avocado 7h ago
This is so hilariously bad it makes me wonder if they're trying to kill the service intentionally.
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u/BinaryJay 4090 FE | 7950X | 64GB/DDR5-6000 | 42" C2 OLED 7h ago
Gamers are angry cloud gaming exists and simultaneously angry that their access to it is restricted.
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u/dat_kodiak 7h ago
I wasnt buying after the crazy price hike. For sure not now. Theyre trying to kill it
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u/Quirky-Sympathy-853 4h ago
Cloud gaming is already unplayable for anything other than games requiring no real latency concerns.
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u/Luckyy_38 4h ago
I recently got ultimate so I could stream gears 2 and 3 on my pc before E-day comes out. 15 hours is one game, absolute joke.
Already unsubscribed.
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u/martianwomanhunter 4h ago
Microsoft just give up Xbox at this point. 5 hours a month is the most hilarious, soulless, AI generated, boardroom slop idea I’ve ever heard coming from this company.
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u/oompaloompa465 7800X3D | RTX 4070 4h ago
at this point the plan is giving us 1 h gaming every 2 days in cloud, forbid us to own a pc and still make people pay 50$/ month for the privilege
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u/SkeeGawd 3h ago
Slowly sunset the cloud, maybe in the far future gaming over the cloud might be a huge thing.
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u/PenguinSwordfighter 3h ago
This will come to the game pass next, and then to each individual game. Want to play more than 3h/week of your newest game that you purchased for 80€? Better get the super premium collector bundle for 150€ so you can play 5h/week for the first season (39.99€ per month adter that).
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u/Markuska90 3h ago
Is there some masterplan behind all these shit decisions from XBox? Did Someone infiltrate them?
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u/hype_irion 3h ago
Thank you for allowing me for a few hours per month to play the games that I don't own.
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u/Metro2005 2h ago
between 5 and 15 hours a month, lol. How to kill your cloud gaming service in 3..2..
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u/The_Tenth_Plague PC Master Race 2h ago
I honestly was surprised and unaware that anyone actually uses the Cloud Gaming feature. I don't know anyone personally who does, and most of my friends are Xbox gamers.
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u/GalaxyXYZ888 9800X3D | 4070TI | 64Gb 6000hz CL30 | 650E-E 2h ago
23$ for 15h is INSANE. I would not pay 5 for 10 hours probably so the math here is great XD.
I hope this is a speedrun to death
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u/PermissionSoggy891 9h ago
I thought yall hated cloud gaming
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u/r_z_n 9800X3D/3090FE, 5800X3D/9070XT 9h ago
I have no interest in it personally but that doesn’t mean I think it’s okay to rip people who’re paying for it off.
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u/TheHomieAbides 9700x | 9070xt 8h ago
Not going to defend this decision one bit… but I truly want to know how many people this will affect.
Like you said, this sub has said nothing positive about cloud gaming so saying game pass is dead because it’s limiting it doesn’t make any sense.
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u/grilled_pc 9h ago
Meanwhile i sold my Xbox Series X 4 or 5 years ago, Moved to Linux and have been having the time of my life on my Switch 2!
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u/SodaSnappy 8h ago
Killing cloud gaming before it ever finds its footing is- certainly a choice lol
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u/OminousG 9h ago
This is the end of premium for me and will spend more time with my PS portal. I use cloud gaming while my daughter is in her skate sessions and 15 hours is next to nothing for the amount of time I spend at the rink.
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u/Responsible_Set_4990 9h ago
Guess I got my pc just in time. I almost thought Xbox would shift into a high tier system with cloud gaming and new pc style possibilities but they swung and missed hard
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u/Desperate-Intern 🐧🪟 | 🖥️5700x3D ⧸ 3080ti @ 1440p | 🎮SteamDeck 9h ago
Where are we, China? Lol
Reference: China Sets Three Hour Limit for Kids Playing Online Video Games
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u/Classic-Box-3919 Intel i5-11600KF | 5060Ti | 32gb Ram 9h ago
This was pretty obviously gonna happen eventually. Then eventually there will be new tiers or add on payments to play more. Tho 15 hours a month based on the comments is pretty absurd start.
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u/Forb1ddenKnowledge 9h ago
I love watching microslop shoot themselves in the foot over and over and over.
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u/8loodred_ 9h ago
Laughably bad but at least they're not making an aggressive move towards replacing normal gaming with cloud gaming like Nvidia is.
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u/HUGO-THE-BEAR PC Master Race 9h ago
I read that this will affect 4% of users. Is it really worth saving the bandwidth from 4% of your most dedicated base?
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u/Googlesbot 8h ago edited 8h ago
Wow those are some low caps, I was expecting like 75-100
Not surprised though, i think cloud gaming was already a loss leader before the ai craze
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u/sweeroy 10h ago
lol. rip