Hello reddit, for the past 8+ months I've been tracking every minute I spent learning Thai language and just hit 1000h today. In fact I have quite a few insights and afterthoughts from this experience, and even though I tried it to make it concise it still turned out excessively long, but hey, human rambling is always better than ai slop isn't it? I hope this helps other people plan their own study, I've personally found progress reports like these very helpful (shoutout to u/whosdamike) Feel free to skip sections that you don't find interesting or just skim through the highlighted parts.
About me:
- 29F Polish, moved to Chiang Mai in April
- near zero prior knowledge of Thai
- no experience with tonal languages, some experience learning foreign languages, but in reality English is the only one I got to fluency. though i've never been nearly as serious about learning a language before.
My methodology has been quite simple - if I was doing an activity that included Thai practice I would count it towards the total time - whether it be tutored lessons, listening to content, Anki or just talking to Thai people. When I listened passively, I would usually add a multiplier like 0.5x or 0.33x, which is always a rough estimate, but my reason for tracking hours has been incentivising more study time, not being 100% accurate.
If you're looking for one of those "got fluent in x months" stories then I'll have to disappoint. At the same time I hope posting this won't undermine anyone's motivation. The hard pill to swallow is that Thai indeed does take a long time to learn. The good part is, as you long as you can consistently put in the hours, you'll see improvement every 50 or less. And just because i did it in under 9 months doesn't mean it can't be stretched into a longer period. In fact, I think you can get more bang for your buck staying consistent every day with 2-4 hours than working it up to 6-8 and dealing with cognitive fatigue. But my goal isn't to become fluent with the optimal amount of effort, instead it is to become fluent as soon as possible without burnout, because I wish to have valuable relationships with Thai people as soon as possible since I live here.
Rough breakdown of my study time -I didn't track what I spent time on, so these are mostly guesstimated retrospectively:
- Listening/watching content- ~585 hours (mainly Comprehensible Thai and YouTube native content, but also Pimsleur, LingQ, Glossika, news, TV shows and tiktok)
- Anki - ~200 hours (this should have been much lower if I hadn't experimented with various decks, making my own cards and made the algorithm work for me way sooner)
- Preply classes - 90 hours
- IRL conversations with Thai people - 40? hours
- Reading (mostly books, a bit of LingQ) - 30? hours
- Texting (including asking ai to help me understand the message or to help me word/proofread my own message) - 25? hours
- Miscallaneous (handwriting, grammar, Stuart Jay Raj lectures, group classes that I dropped etc) - 20 hours
- Shadowing - 10 hours
Where I'm standing at today:
Vocabulary - I know around 2500 words including compound words. By know, I mean I can understand the meaning of word when reading and listening. I know how to pronounce them, but I don't know how to spell all of them in cases of characters where it doesn't affect the sound (e.g. if you ask me if a certain word is spelled with a ส or ษ, there's a high chance I won't know). I find that the number of words I can spell is growing at its own pace without conscious effort to memorise them, just by reading/texting. Btw going from 1500 to 2500 in the last three months gave me a huge comprehension boost when it comes to listening, getting to know the new vocab helped me fill out many of the blanks of the old vocab.
Speaking - my weakest suit. Although I'm able to sound all the sounds in isolation, it's the combination of them that defeats me. While I can build sentences I want to say with relative ease and sometimes have conversations on topics up to B1 level, pronouncing them is a whole different story. I still have to think about tones consciously unless I repeated a certain phrase tens of times. I will often catch myself straight away when sounding out the tone wrong. Some speakers will understand me easily on the first try, with others I'll need to repeat myself or rephrase, but still can get my point across rather consistently, for example when running errands like fixing a bike, doing paperwork, or at the doctor. For some reasons I still dread phone calls though 😬 A thing I noticed is the words would just flow more naturally during periods where I'd hang out with Thais more. When I go into periods of not conversing in Thai, the skill would go dormant, but I'd regain it rather quick when I get the chance to speak for a longer while again. I haven't been in a group conversation since around 600h mark so I can't comment on that, but I can imagine it would still be hard to follow and nearly impossible to participate.
Listening - more or less satisfied but pretty inconsistent. There's speakers whom I'll understand even when discussing rather complex topics, and there are times I will miss the most basic questions IRL. Hearing tones is tricky, it's like I can hear them and hardly ever confuse the words differing only by tone, but when I start thinking about it consciously I'll often identify the tone incorrect. I'm still having difficulty hearing vowel length, that's why I can't rely on listening as a way to acquire the vocabulary I haven't previously seen written.
Just to give you the idea of the stuff I usually listen to:
https://youtu.be/rN8eV2c6x3o?si=2XtvpWPGwZKU9uvF (probably around 85%-90% comprehension)
https://youtu.be/6MV-Xs6nseg?si=H4SKwJDs__emhqHE (70%-75%)
Comprehensible Input Intermediate 2/Advanced (varies greatly depending on the video) https://www.trueid.net/watch/th-en/series/qzDWlk124Pb3/pnMv7K9o5D52/Lv7YE2XA41pj/Y85WVNwmX90o (Japanese TV show with a Thai dub - I find foreign tv shows easier to understand than native Thai shows, but I'd like to transition to Thai content eventually- comprehension around 70%)
TNN news -this is a tricky one, I'm bombarded with words I know but my comprehension speed isn't quite there so I only catch every 5th sentence fully, but I can still infer the meaning from key words
Reading - feel like this is my strongest skill. I'm currently halfway through the Thai translation of Eat That Frog and I'm looking up 10-15 words per page, decreasing as I progress through the book. A full page of text takes me like 10-15 mins to read including checking up all vocab and unknown phrases/grammar. I can read modern fonts pretty consistently, albeit slower, but it only happened when I finally learned to handwrite the characters (around 750h mark LOL) Before that many modern fonts looked like a stroke to me. I'll sometimes get a bit confused about the tone of the syllable and will need to think about it consciously or look for a similar syllable in my head but most syllables are automatic at this point when I read. I've been reading children's stories for a while and honestly I could have moved on to easy adult non-fiction sooner. Children's stories will often contain words that aren't really used in daily life that often, like semi-obscure animal and plant names. while an easy self-help book will be filled with words I can actively use during my next conversation. But in the end the order of obtaining vocab matter that much, since at this level I'll need to know almost all of the words I encounter if I'm aiming for fluency. One is just slightly more optimal (and fun) than the other. My subvocalisation got a lot better than it was when I first started reading stories around 600hr mark, and higher reading speed has made it way more enjoyable, so I'm expecting to spend more time reading in the following months.
Writing - better than speaking but I'm not focusing on it too much outside of text messages. My handwriting is slow, but I have no desire to practice it any further.
What did I do right and what would have I done different?
The good:
- Tracking hours. What started as a method to keep myself accountable and be able to plan my study effectively ended up being a dopamine spike everytime I added a new entry. Making me lowkey addicted to studying 5555 Some people might find tracking every single minute excessive, but as long as I accepted that there will be guesstimates here and there and this is meant to motivate me, not to reflect reality 1:1, it has been a source of satisfaction and a motivator to do more. I also have a weekly goal of 35 hours, when I don't hit it nothing happens. Obviously my motivation hasn't been unshaken every day, oftentimes I had to battle self-doubt, low self-esteem and frustration, especially after an unsatisfactory exchange with a native. But then I remembered the only way out is through and something I read that stuck with me: "hours of study is the single most reliable predictor of language proficiency"
- Mixing focused vocabulary study with input since basically day 1. The way I see it, input alone would be highly ineffective as a means of learning vocab, especially with a complex sound system like Thai that my ears haven't fully cracked 1000 hours later. On the other hand, vocab learned in isolation is useless, and consuming input with frontloaded vocab helped me provide necessary context for the newly learned words. It was a very common experience for me to learn a seemingly new word in Anki and be surprised how often I encounter it naturally, finding myself wonder how I could have not noticed it earlier. Plus, the more vocab I learn, the more I get out of every hour of input. Listening to content feels like a massive vocab review at times. Getting my vocab count from 1500 to 2500 has done wonders for my comprehension of harder content (for those of you that follow CI Thai - it made me advance from beginner 3 to intermediate 2) and made my finally reach the sweet spot where I can play native videoessays and be genuinely interested in what's being said
- Mixing the methods of study and sources of input has been great for being able to study more without boredom - at the beginning of the year I've been relying mostly on Comprehensible Thai + Anki and it was tedious to say the least. Now I have so many activities I can swap between it's much easier to get the hours in.
- A bit of a hot take here, but I'm glad Ive been using autocorrection since the first day I started texting in Thai. I was lowkey worried it would make me too heavily reliant on it and I wouldn't be able to spell words without it. In reality, with enough exposure I've been learning the spelling anyway at its own pace, while in the meantime I was able to enjoy chatting with Thai people much earlier than I would otherwise had (looking up every word I type doesn't fit my definition of enjoyment btw)
Not so good/would have done different:
- I wish I started shadowing much earlier than around 800hr mark. The way I do it these days is I record myself repeat a sentence after either a native speaker or AI as long as the pronunciation is good. I then send it to my tutor along with the transcription and she spots the awkward parts. We don't talk nearly enough about how long it takes to train the mouth to speak Thai properly. Without hearing recording of your own voice, and there without a native speaker guidance most people won't be able to tell what sounds off and why it sounds off. Honestly, since I have been speaking from day 1 I could have as well started shadowing from day 1. How I do shadowing is recording myself speak after listening to a recording and I don't know how some people manage to do that in real time, I couldn't even do that in my native language.
- Relying on transcription/information on the tone of the each syllable when learning new vocab. I should have bitten the bullet and kept spelling + audio as the only info on the anki card I was studying. This would have made everything faster: reading, understanding tone rules and hearing tones. The vocab I was learning was from a premade deck so I didn't give it much thought at the time.
- Consuming content that was too easy. I was aiming for the 80%-95% comprehension rate but since I was learning vocab separately I could have gone much lower and reaped larger benefits. I do recognise that hearing simple structures tens-hundreds of times is also important and is the only way they become natural. But I think there are more effective ways to achieve that that watching CI content that's spoken too slowly and I don't really find challenging enough to interest me. These structures will appear in more difficult content anyway, so don't be scared to push the comprehension down to levels like 50%, 40% or even 20% at times. You can still make much more progress, especially if you know the words used but struggle to make sense of them. That being said, easy stuff is totally fine to listen to if you just feel like chilling or you're kinda preoccupied with something else.
- Not taking enough breaks. I like the physical exercise analogy, although a brain doesn't need a rest day after every workout like other muscles do, memory consolidation is a real phenomenon and taking a break not only healthy but has proved to facilitate my progress and make me feel unstuck. I usually only do Anki reviews and shadowing on rest days, around an hour total. If external circumstances don't force me to take a break I'll do something like a planned 2-day break every two weeks. This is highly personal and depends on how much you study, but also how you feel about studying, people prone to burnouts will probably need to take breaks more often. I personally take breaks because of cofnitive fatigue mostly, studying too much can impact my ability to relax and cause symptoms like racing thoughts or difficulty sleeping.
What's next? My original plan has been reaching B2 by the end of the year. I'm aiming for 500 more hours by that time and I'm confident my reading skill will get there - I'm excited to have two novels lined up after I finish the current book! Listening will be more of a challenge, unless I make some sort of breakthrough - although I'm making progress on understanding clear speech, natural/everyday speech or dialogues can be hard to understand, e. g. when watching Thai dub anime or a Thai drama my comprehension is super low. I'm planning to incorporate the transcription exercise to my routine - that is, writing/typing out what I hear and reviewing. I'll keep practicing shadowing every day for now, my biggest issue with speaking is pronunciation, not sentence building. I believe sentence building and spontaneity will automatically follow my input skills and through living in Thailand I have plenty of chance to practice those, so I'm probably not going to dedicate deliberate effort to it for now. That being said, I'll be happy with consistent B1 speaking by the end of the year. I'm not willing to sacrifice my reading time for the sake of speaking practice for the simple fact that I enjoy reading in Thai - and there's only so much speaking I can do in a day without my mouth getting tired anyway. Starting next year I'm hoping to come back to studying Japanese so I'd like my Thai to be at the level where I can work on both without confusing one with the other by then. Also next year my Thai gf is likely going to move in with me, and I'm hoping my Thai would be decent enough that we won't default to English 80% of the time like we do now (sadly her English is pretty good /hj).
As I mentioned, getting the hours in is much easier once I can consume input I enjoy, so even though there's a lot of work I need to do to be satisfied with my level, I feel like the hardest part of the grind is behind me. The progress moving forward will certainly slow down, but as the number of activities I can semi-comfortably do grows, it often doesn't feel like study anymore. My final goal in the hour tracking app has been set to 3000 hours but I honestly can't tell when I'll be satisfied with my progress enough to stop tracking. Might as well be 2500 or 4000. That being said getting into this thought I'll be further at the 1000hr mark, so I could as well be overshooting into the future. But it doesn't really matter, since I'm loving the process 😊
Thank you for staying with me till the end of the post! Feel free to ask about stuff I didn't mention, feel free to critique my routine and if you have any suggestions for me moving forward, feel free to drop them too! See you in December at 1500 ❤️