r/cogsci 6h ago

Philosophy Can information be fully observable yet fundamentally incomprehensible to the human mind?

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What properties would information need to have in order to become effectively incomprehensible to the human brain, even if it were fully observable and accessible?
I’m thinking of information that we can perceive or measure, but whose underlying structure is too difficult for a human mind to meaningfully process or understand.
Would the main limitation be information capacity—simply too much data for the brain to process—or structural complexity, where even a relatively limited amount of information has relationships and dependencies that are too complex to mentally represent?
Or is true cognitive “indigestibility” more likely to require both: an enormous amount of information combined with a highly complex structure?
More generally, could there be information that is physically observable but fundamentally beyond human cognitive architecture to comprehend?


r/cogsci 13h ago

AI/ML Can interaction history carry predictive information beyond memory and personalization in human–LLM dialogue?

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I’d like to pose an experimental question rather than present a new theory of mind.

Suppose we have two longitudinal human–LLM interactions where we control for:

  • model and version;
  • system prompt;
  • information available about the participant;
  • memory and retrieval;
  • degree of personalization;
  • accessible context.

The main difference is that one dyad retains its own interaction history, while the other receives an equivalent amount of relevant information drawn from a different or yoked history.

Should we expect the two conditions to become functionally equivalent?

Or can the temporal organization of a specific interaction history retain predictive information that is not captured simply by making the same content available?

This is the question I have been trying to formalize through a framework I called the Shared Cognitive Field (CCC / Campo Cognitivo Condiviso).

By “field” I do not mean a physical field, a shared consciousness, or a new entity.

I use the term as shorthand for a possible structure of observable dependencies at the level of interaction.

The starting point is not especially exotic. It draws on existing work in extended cognition, distributed cognition, interactive alignment, and coordination in dialogue.

Recent work on LLM interaction makes the competing explanations particularly important. Humans adapt their communication strategies when interacting with LLMs; LLMs can adapt linguistically to conversational partners; and external memory/retrieval systems can already produce substantial continuity and personalization.

I therefore treat these mechanisms as competing baselines, not as evidence for the framework.

The modest hypothesis is:

In 2025 I proposed a provisional composite measure, CQI(t), involving shared information, predictive coherence, interactional coordination, stability after perturbation, and affective-relational alignment.

I do not regard CQI as a validated metric. Its proxies, weights, and factor structure would all need empirical testing.

A simple design I am considering would compare four conditions after a longitudinal interaction phase:

A — Original dyad
Same participant, same interaction history.

B — Yoked-history control
Same amount of relevant information, but derived from another dyad’s history.

C — Memory-ablated control
Same dyad, but without access to longitudinal memory.

D — Partner-swap control
Comparable informational state, different human partner.

A controlled perturbation could then be introduced.

Possible outcome measures might include:

  • prediction of the partner’s next-turn intention or decision;
  • number of turns required to repair misunderstandings;
  • collaborative task performance;
  • ability to recover the correct prior rationale behind a decision;
  • recovery of coordination after perturbation.

The discriminating prediction would be straightforward:

If interaction history contributes nothing beyond available information, the original dyad should show no systematic advantage over a well-matched yoked control.

If that is what the data show, the relational construct should be reduced or discarded.

If a replicable residual effect remains, I would not interpret it as “shared consciousness” or strong emergence.

The next question would simply be:

What interaction-level variable have we failed to model?

One transparency note: the original Zenodo paper from November 2025 contains some stronger exploratory language, including a numerical threshold associated with a phenomenological concept I called Noosemia.

I no longer regard that threshold as empirically established.

In the current framing, both CQI and Noosemia are provisional hypotheses requiring validation.

So my question to r/cogsci is fairly concrete:

Is there already an established construct in cognitive science, HCI, or dialogue research that makes this proposed “interaction-history effect” unnecessary?

And if not:

What is the simplest experiment that could falsify it?

Original paper, for provenance:

https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17672256

Disclosure: AI tools have been used during drafting, translation, and critical review of this project. I take responsibility for the claims, references, and proposed methodology.


r/cogsci 19h ago

What's something you understood intellectually years before you actually understood it emotionally?

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Like for me it's quotes they feel very good when heated but when u understand them emotionally they give real meaning


r/cogsci 1h ago

Are we just walking computers?

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Am I the only one getting sick of talk about people “processing” something that has happened to them? What happened to ordinary words like “think about” and “reflect on”? “Processing” is what computers do. Not human minds.


r/cogsci 21h ago

Job opportunities

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So i have a bachelor's degree in linguistics. I'm planning on doing masters in cognitive science. I know python, i can speak 3 languages + sign language. I've written a paper on computational linguistics and a paper on psycho/neurolinguistics. I was wondering if i'll be left jobless with all these or is there an opportunity to find a well paying job? I'm interested in NLP but also in SLP. I'd appreciate if someone could share their experience w me. Thank you in advance.


r/cogsci 23h ago

Language Can we understand something that we are fundamentally unable to express?

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Suppose a person genuinely understands something internally, but cannot fully express that understanding.

I don’t mean merely being unable to find the right words. Assume we are allowed to use any means of expression available to us: spoken or written language, mathematics, diagrams, paintings, music, animations, simulations, physical demonstrations, and so on.

Could there still be forms of understanding that cannot be adequately externalized through any of these methods?