r/worldnews • u/ArgentineBeauty • 21h ago

Russia/Ukraine ‘We Were Mistaken’: Putin Admits Russia Was Unprepared for Ukrainian Strikes on Oil Refineries

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/83674
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u/Waveofspring 16h ago edited 16h ago

It’s even worse than that. Russia expected Ukraine to surrender on month 1 of the war. I remember many estimates assumed that Kyiv would fall within 2 weeks. Now it’s been 4 years.

Good fucking job Ukraine. I hope they get to keep as much territory as possible after the war ends. Especially Crimea and Donbas

Russia has shown the world that their only true military asset is nukes. They are no longer a superpower.

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u/nickiter 16h ago

I mean, they've also killed several hundred thousand people and done $600B in damage. And it only cost them 1.4M of their own people!

God, those numbers. It's incredible that the world tolerates this. Fucking nukes. They may not be a superpower, but they do have millions of men ready to be sacrificed at the altar of Putin's greater-Russia fantasy.

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u/bstiglets 13h ago

The average life span of a Russian soldier deployed to Ukraine is 35 minutes. I gotta tell you, I’ve watched drone footage of soldiers being singled out and eliminated. Whenever the final image is of a Russian looking directly into the drone’s camera, it’s absolutely chilling.

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u/nickiter 13h ago

That's during an active frontline assault.

But yeah, the fighting in Ukraine has been incredibly bloody. Urban environments along with the advent of drones ... Slaughterhouses.

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u/bstiglets 12h ago

You think Russia would have an understanding of the difficulties of asymmetrical warfare

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u/Ok-Relief-462 3h ago

They have an understanding of the difficulties, as do most nations; he just made the often repeated mistake of assuming you wouldn’t have to deal with an asymmetric conflict. Putin was working on the assumption that this Ukraine was the same one that rolled over in 2014 with crimea

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u/Lutrana 4h ago

It’s still, like, a month or less after signing.

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u/Ultrasonic-Sawyer 10h ago

Thats 35 minutes active front line, as somebody else indicated. 

That number is scarily very likely surpassed by time from "conscription" to first case of physical and / or sexual abuse by a superior, which is a disgustingly common practice in the Russian military.  

For some of them, that drone strikes may be preferable. 

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u/CicadaFit9756 9h ago

Didn't I once hear that Russians protesting this war had a terrible punishment meant to silence dissent? They were conscripted into the military!

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u/Sufficientinname 11h ago

Chilling and then funny 😁

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u/abombSFCA 13h ago

1.4M??? Enlisted or casualties?

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u/Mushie101 13h ago edited 9h ago

That number is Russians (and mercenaries from Africa, India and nth Korea ) that are either dead or severely wounded (like missing limbs and can no longer fight). If I recall correctly the estimate is 2/3 dead 1/3 wounded.

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u/GrimpenMar 12h ago

Russia dead:injured is worse than WW1 I understand. Drones and the grey zones make medical extraction more difficult. Ukraine puts the effort in, Russia does not.

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u/abombSFCA 11h ago

Wow. I imagine this is not well advertised in Russian homeland.

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u/GrimpenMar 10h ago

Certainly not, and I would assume modern Russia maintains the Soviet tradition of reporting only good news up the chain.

Putin isn't dumb, but he has managed to curate his own information bubble, and it's focused more on his personal survival. Plus, you can't collect the wages for your soldiers after they die.

I have no idea what Putin thinks it's going on, or how out of touch most average Russians are. Judging from all the crying when Moscow got hit, the civilians in the core are competent out of the loop.

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u/Mushie101 9h ago

The average lifespan of a Russian soldier on the front is estimated to be 40 minutes. No this is not advertised.
What is advertised is the families are "offered" USD150k if their husbands die. Of course the chance of actually getting that money is 0.0001%. There have been stories of women chatting up young men, marrying them and then convincing them to goto the front so they can get the payout.

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u/SnooDoggos7915 11h ago

I imagine a lot of the Russians didn’t want to be in the war, because what is the point? …compared to Ukraine fighting for their homes, their people & their land! Long live Ukraine!!!

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u/Funny-Carob-4572 4h ago

Russia send men out with missing limbs for assaults

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u/MakeThySelf 10h ago

That's... roughly 1 dead soldier on Russian side every 2 minutes, for over four years. Every nights sleep is an average of another 200 dead, 100 wounded. Fuck.

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u/nickiter 13h ago

Russian war dead.

Ukraine's lost something like 600,000 people.

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u/distributingthefutur 13h ago

Casualties and dead. They see the soldiers get blown up, but can't be sure they don't survive. That said, there aren't that many wounded returning home. There's no evacuation for the wounded and the salaries and bonuses would have to be paid if they were anything other than 'missing.'

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u/abombSFCA 12h ago

Wow that’s way way way more than I thought.

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u/holyluigi 12h ago

war goes both ways just like propaganda. We don't hear much from Ukraine's losses to not diminish morale or hope.
They are doing good having advantage as defenders but its far from curb stomping russia otherwise the war would have been over. Not to mention how drones might keep this war going for far longer than usual wars.

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u/Mushie101 9h ago

Dont forget Ukraine was not allowed to fire missiles into Russia for a looonng time. There is only so much you can do when you have your hands tied behind your back. Now that they have developed their own long range missiles it is helping, but Russia still have alot of them + they are getting alot of drones from Iran and Nth Korea.

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u/Sasquatch1729 11h ago

First one, then the other

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u/Daoin_Vil 11h ago

The Ukrainians have pivoted strategies, they went from trying to take territory back to conceding territory to slaughter Russians. Their goal now is to kill as many soldiers as possible and to bring the war to the average Russian (by bombing major city’s and taking out the oil refineries). They brought the defender attacker ratio up to 1in5 so for every Ukrainian lost five Russian also gone. They now hold out until Russia is about to take a town or city then they retreat and when the Russians come into the town/city they shell the shit out of them then they send in the air drones to bomb the hide outs and the fpv drones pick off the people not hunkered down. Then they send in the ground drones to clear as many buildings or basements as possible followed by live Ukrainian forces to take prisoners and kill the last of the hold outs.

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u/zetimenvec 10h ago

Casualties on the russian side have been extremely lethal. I forget the numbers thrown around in interviews, but something like 70-90% of injured russian casualties turn into fatalities.

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u/amicaze 13h ago

Ready to be sacrificed for like, wayy less than 10k €.

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u/distributingthefutur 13h ago

They all just get counted as missing so nothing gets paid to the families.

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u/QuarterFantastic6134 12h ago

Well fortunately Russia’s current birthrates are markedly below replacement. Meaning their “human wave” strategy will be harder and harder to use when they don’t have those waves of combat-age not severely disabled males to feed the grinder.

Let’s also be honest most of Russia isn’t that developed it’s a shithole. Meaning it isn’t a particularly huge magnet either for physically talented immigrants so this is also not something they can easily solve by just tweaking immigration policies alone either.

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u/Timely_Truth6267 13h ago

1.4 million. Jesus christ

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u/productzilch 12h ago

Jesus, I had no idea how big the disparity was.

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u/Waveofspring 13h ago

The good news about the invasion of Ukraine is that a lot of oligarchs and other Russian higher-ups are starting to doubt Putin’s leadership since the war has been such a slop.

Even though russia hasn’t truly lost at all, they’ve taken way less territory than predicted and Ukraine has been attacking/damaging Russian territory. And of course troop morale is low. It’s not like they’re fighting nazi invaders this time around.

I doubt Putin’s successor will be any less corrupt but hopefully they will at least back down when it comes to the world stage.

Either way, Russia is a weak shell of its former Soviet past. They are not the main rival anymore, and frankly they haven’t been in a while. But the world is just now realizing this.

Whether or not they get the upper hand in Ukraine, they will never capture the entire country, and I seriously doubt they’ll ever take Kyiv.

Regardless of the outcome, Putin’s war in Ukraine is a complete failure.

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u/WideCranberry4912 13h ago

How do the officers control the troops? Why aren’t the troops just straight gutting the officers and taking the equipment and marching on Moscow?

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u/Life-Significance-33 12h ago

Don't assume they have equipment. There were news reports that new conscription troops are told to find a gun on the dead soldiers in the field.

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u/distributingthefutur 13h ago

It's even worse. The only way they can continue is through Chinese manufacturing. From military hardware to all the domestic consumption through Wild berries, etc., it's all Chinese. China is boiling the frog. They supply them enough to keep going, but not enough to win. Eventually, Russia will be so weak, Chinese business people will just buy everything.

There's already a lot of projects around Lake Baikal in Siberia. The locals can't even get enough men together to do construction so the Chinese bring their own people and equipment in. It's an invasion without a shot being fired.

Russia wanted to build a second pipeline to China. It fell through when the Chinese required Russia to pay for it and to guarantee oil at a ridiculously low price. They smell the desperation.

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u/ABadHistorian 12h ago

China really is just going to sweep in and take the upper north eastern part of Russia when Russia experiences civil unrest within the next ten years. Like clockwork, this sort of stuff happens throughout history.

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u/distributingthefutur 11h ago

People keep saying the Chinese will invade outer Manchuria (Vladivostok) to reclaim it, but why bother? They can do what the Russians do. Eventually, Siberia and the east will be full of Chinese, Chinese money and Chinese culture. They'll help them succeed from Russia. China will be 'obligated' to defend them to protect the Chinese people there.

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u/ABadHistorian 11h ago

They don't need to invade to invade. They'll do an Austria - they'll be "welcomed in" when Russia's heartlands are full of chaos.

But I wouldn't be surprised if China invades somewhere. It has 20 million unmarried men, that untapped rage and aggression will be unleashed somewhere. Even if just as a pressure release valve.

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u/ABadHistorian 9h ago

Your comment was deleted, so I can't see your end/point.

But I gather you are disagreeing with me. Rather than argue, let me just say I do not want war, and I think the historical record speaks for itself regardless of where or what these men are doing.

Unmarried men in large numbers lead to chaos. Perhaps, as I suspect your point is trying to make, these men will be unable to unify to cause chaos in China. From my online contacts, I highly doubt that to be true. I used to mod with several chinese gamers, and they had a lot to say about the situation there in online-game chats that are not easily monitored by their services, and I know first hand they use a lot of them for communication purposes. There is a LOT of unrest in China among the male population 20-40 age bracket right now, over women, wage payment (wages routinely getting held back from people, so that wages are in some places functioning more like credit).

China may want war to get rid of these men, or to try to reverse the decline in society by providing an outside enemy.

I unfortunately, would never bet against a nation of autocrats not seeing war as a viable option.

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u/Spirited_Ingenuity89 8h ago

China has its own massive demographics problems. The Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences and other demographers are trying to figure out how much the current population has been over counted. They’re thinking it’s in the hundreds of millions.

Even without adjusting the current population numbers, they’re set to lose 60% of their population by the end of the century.

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u/Jolly_Plantain4429 12h ago

Putin might actually get deposed off of this loss, his strong man persona has crumbled and he lost a war that usually leads regime change.

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u/Xigua2001 12h ago

I mean. That’s why they said the nukes were ok back then. Both the United States and Japan agreed more would have died on both sides with the war dragging on if the nukes weren’t used.

Using nukes is a last resort to save more lives… which is weird to say but has held true in their use so far, as they haven’t yet been abused… and hopefully won’t be.

The death tool this war has had and is continuing to have is horrendous. :(

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u/Neomataza 11h ago

Fucking nukes

Proof of having nukes in 1990, but only have been saber rattling since then. With how everything else in their possession deteriorated and malfunctioned, they may or may not be a nuclear threat anymore, but nobody wants to call the bluff.

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u/StormFast524 12h ago

Shows how
Stupid they really are

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u/xShoresy 4h ago

Vast majority of those are prison clean outs and conscripts going in with not even second rate hand me downs from the Russian Salvation Army. They definitely didn't expect the fight that would be put up, but the result is nowhere near a direct reflection of Russian military power. Not to mention this is kind of the only look we've had since WW2 of two actual first world powers going at it large scale. Besides, if we hadn't shovelled a trillion dollars in American assets to em in the first week alone, Putin would be bulldozing Kyiv to build a new super mall.

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u/CarlRJ 14h ago

Famously, other countries offered Zelenskyy evacuation from Ukraine (which they expected to fall in a few days), and he answered (paraphrasing) "I don't need a ride - I could use some ammo, though."

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u/toldyouIaintshit 8h ago

What a badass quote. Thay dude is a G.

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u/old_man_mcgillicuddy 3h ago

The dude was a light comedic TV actor, and assuming he survives and keeps his country mostly intact, probably goes down as one of the history's great wartime leaders.

The quote is badass, actually staying in country is more badass. Fighting off Russia when literally the most optimistic people in the West thought the best Ukraine would do is bloody Russia's nose until a settlement was negotiated. When Russia spent time trying to directly kill/capture you, personally. When you realize that the US wasn't a reliable ally, and keep fighting on. When you build a home grown, grass roots drone industry, that will probably dramatically alter warfare for the next 50 years. When you defeat the Russian Navy without a navy.

Bro's definitely getting a biopic someday.

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u/manubibi 5h ago

Damn he’s such a badass.

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u/AMDKilla 13h ago

Ukraine only want their own territory back. They could push back into Russia and claim some extra. That may even need to happen before Putin will end the war

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u/tweakingforjesus 11h ago

Ukraine is going to need a DMZ when this is over.

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u/ClosedContent 10h ago

They’ve taken Russian territory at various points hoping to barter between the different territories. It’s just hard to maintain when you operate off a limited military personal.

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u/SeeShark 16h ago edited 13h ago

In fairness, Ukraine is not some tiny country; it's 1/4 the size of Russia's population (or was, before the war and resulting refugee crisis), has the home field advantage, more motivated soldiers, and massive amounts of supplies compared to the size of its military. At worst, Russia is doing about as well as expected from a country its size.

You're right that it doesn't look like a superpower, though. It's just a normal huge country, with nukes.

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u/Waveofspring 14h ago

You give a good point. After all the US military (the most powerful contender) failed to secure Afghanistan after 20 years.

At the end of the day, war is complicated. The more powerful side doesn’t always win.

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u/SamsaraSlider 13h ago

eg Vietnam War.

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u/tweakingforjesus 11h ago

Or today’s war in Iran. Dictators will never learn.

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u/SeeShark 10h ago

The war with Iran is completely different, since the US isn't even sending in forces. It thinks it can win a territorial war without securing territory. i.e. it's actually much dumber.

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u/Scared_Health_8895 9h ago

I mean, US won, got a peace treaty. North Vietnam broke it years later.

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u/SamsaraSlider 6h ago

That’s absurd. A peace treaty is not equivalent to winning. Winning is about achieving your objective, which was to keep Vietnam out of communist control. Thats the opposite of what happened. The communist govt took control. The US just abandoned ship.

But looking up the Paris Accords, they weren’t even a formal treaty with the US.

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u/Ovaltine1 13h ago

Or doesn’t want to win. We have a few companies that war is their only product. Very rich companies. Read a book about 20 years ago…searching for enemies if memory serves. It will change your whole perspective. War is a product that we produce. I mean, Raytheon et al are the biggest companies in the world. Totally funded with tax dollars. We can’t not have wars because of these monsters we’ve created. It’s like private prisons, we got to keep em full to honor our contracts.

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u/Significant-Trash632 12h ago

Which is why I hate these companies most of all.

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u/Kevadu 13h ago

The US did steamroll the Afghan military, though. They were just then dealing with an insurgency for years afterwards, which is very different.

Russia hasn't even gotten to that point. They haven't managed to conquer Ukraine to begin with. Do you think if they did there wouldn't still be some resistance?

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u/kirior7 13h ago

Ukraine and Afghanistan are two very different enemies and one had a lot of military support. So I think the earlier comment stands.

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u/Neophyte06 13h ago

Modern warfare with rules makes it way more difficult to pacify countries (good thing)

Can't just go ham on all the regional villages because someone stole your favorite horse 🤣

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u/nachobueno 12h ago

Isn’t that kind of the stabbed in the back myth they cried after Vietnam and really every other conflict America has been in? That they weren’t allowed to fight the way they wanted? If you look closely though you’ll see that what the us military does is exactly go ham on everyone. Reports of massacres and war crimes and “collateral damage” flood out of every combat zone America steps foot in. That’s the problem. You don’t take a country by massacring people, unless you intend to wipe out every last person you get an insurgency. Countries aren’t taken by blood, they’re taken by strategic targets. America doesn’t fight for targets though, America fights for votes. It’s politics, and politics don’t win wars. America, for all of its might, can’t win a war because of this

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u/Neophyte06 12h ago

Dude if war crimes were legal, you can bet that modern wars would look different. That's just a simple geopolitical fact.

I wasn't trying to make any kind of real argument, you sure managed to make it into one though 😂

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u/nachobueno 12h ago edited 11h ago

Hey man, not everything is a fight, you know? You said a thing, I took that as a prompt to say another thing. I’m sorry if that made you feel attacked or whatever, just trying to participate in the conversation. I won’t even respond to what you said on the subject, how’s that sound?

Edit: wait, what am I doing? I’m not gonna let you cow me out of responding like that just because you’re insecure, you said a thing in a public space and now you’re bent out of shape because someone responded? You’re not the Russian military are you? War crimes are legal, who enforces international law? The un security council? The us and Russia have veto power on any decision it makes. They both have in fact vetoed resolutions holding them accountable. If you can’t effectively be charged with a crime it’s legal for you. Both countries commit war crimes with impunity and have for decades. Have you never read a history book?

Also stop talking to strangers like a manipulative mother

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u/Austindevon 8h ago

The exact point I was making earlier . But remember some countries still don't play by the rules . Their religion permits it . Otherwise there wouldn't be beheaded Jewish babies in recent memory .

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u/nderthesycamoretrees 12h ago

USSR tried that for years as well. To no avail.

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u/vanillaleone 4h ago

What is winning anyway? I think there is either deterrence until the aggressor retreats, or the one side drops a nuclear bomb and obliterates a country entirely.

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u/Ok-Relief-462 3h ago

At least we were fighting ours halfway across the globe and actually won most direct engagements; Putin is losing to a neighbor next door (Ukraine BEFORE the war was literally the poorest country in Europe) engaging in WW1 style “throw soldiers at the enemy til they run out of bullets” strategy

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u/DowntownDig5560 11h ago

The Us wasn't going in to over take Iran as was Russia was to Ukraine .

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u/Sea-Two-4993 11h ago

Iran has been manipulated by the US since BP was a baby.

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u/Austindevon 11h ago

The issue is we impose rules of engagement or ourselves .We are semi civilized at least .. The opposition, not much . If you doubt that , look at what the Arabs did to the Jews on the 7th , or the Iranians to their own people . Tianenmin square was a contender for the brutality award too . These people are not looking to us as examples of civility , they want us dead by any means available. Those must be the rules of the game if we want to win ..

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u/blipblooop 9h ago

Its kind of funny you say you need to be brutal to win wars when we are talking about the russia ukraine war in which russia is brutal and not winning. 

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u/Hob_O_Rarison 11h ago

Afghanistan was absolutely secured. We gave it back, for some inexplicable reason.

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u/Waveofspring 10h ago

It wasn’t though. Population centers were secured but the Taliban was still active in many areas up until their total takeover after we (USA) left

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u/Scared_Health_8895 9h ago

I mean, US left with what they wanted(I believe there was a government the US liked)

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u/maya-ongezellig 13h ago

it is true, but minor counterpoint the terrain russia is getting bogged down in is basically steppe not some mountains or anything which makes it a bit more embarrassing for them

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u/DarthMiwka 11h ago

That's not true in regards of supplies. In 2024 we had 14 newly created brigades, out of which only 3 got the promised equipment. Those brigades were created specifically based on the promised military equipment from the allies that were not provided in time.

Similar thing happened in 2023 during Zaporizhzhya counteroffensive when none of the brigades were provided with crucial equipment and basic equipment was provided with half a year delay, which lead to considerable shifts in counteroffensive timing, givind russia time to prepare.

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u/Optimal_Juggernaut37 4h ago

which lead to considerable shifts in counteroffensive timing, givind russia time to prepare.

It's almost like it was working as intended for those who profit from conflict and have incredibly powerful influence over political decisions.

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u/mcvos 5h ago

And merely being larger has never guaranteed victory. See also the US in Vietnam or Iran.

Most of the territory Russia conquered, it got through surprise in the early days of the war, before Ukraine was ready.

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u/Optimal_Juggernaut37 4h ago

It's just a normal huge country, with nukes.

If they didn't have nukes, this would've been over and done with by now.

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u/Fit_Let125 13h ago

What? Ukraine is 600 000 km^2 while Russia is fucking 17,1 million bro the hell you even talking about. While you can say that you mentioned the European part, which actually is very misleading for people, who don’t know anything prior about it and it makes it seem like a propagandistic exaggeration. Btw if we take into account that Ukraine didn’t posses Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimean oblasts(first two okay partially but to counter completely your claim it’s still accountable). And finally, Ukraine didn’t spend as much resources(which they also didn’t have, and catching up in the middle of the conflict with foreign aid is not the same as having it prior, you need to train men to use and maintain it etc), on theirs war machine as Russia did. I don’t say it’s the courage of the men, though Ukrainians have a bigger motivation obviously, and I don’t see any point to be inferred from these numbers in this context, maybe apart from the praise of Ukraine being more resilient and flexible, and Russia being more ignorant toward its own resources, and more arrogant. But saying well Russia is doing okay like cmon what?

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u/SeeShark 13h ago

Sorry, I meant 1/4 as far as population. I definitely misspoke.

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u/Fit_Let125 13h ago

Ah okay. Sorry if my comment seems rude

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u/CliftonForce 13h ago

America expected Iran to surrender after the first day of bombing.

Similar outlook.

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u/Emotional_Remove_755 12h ago

No, that was just Trump’s expectation. The majority of the neocons knew better, which was why they were all so excited for it.

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u/Phantereal 11h ago

They expected Iran to be like Venezuela.

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u/SilencedFarter 11h ago

Had hoped for another mass uprising of the people but with 40-50k of them killed months earlier fewer were available.

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u/Efficient_Loquat232 11h ago

Funny thing is Americans making fun of Russia killing school children when the US also were doing the same in Iran.

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u/LogicMan428 11h ago

The U.S. doing it was due to a mistake. Russia doing it was due to just not caring and randomly firing their artillery all over the place.

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u/CliftonForce 11h ago

The Pentagon used to have a group whose job it was to check target lists for things like schools.

Hegseth got rid of it last year for being woke.

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u/Flamin_Jango 11h ago edited 11h ago

If you really think its a mistake when they've already admitted that they knew it was a school, then you're a mistake my friend, you don't accidentally doubletap a target unless you're going for complete destruction, they targeted the school because it had alot of the IRGC's commanding officers children there, it was intentionally done to lower their morale, again intentional but keep justifying baby killers if that helps you sleep at night.

Edit: if you want to have a debate dealing with matter of fact not matter of opinion I welcome it, but other than that please do some research and realize that the Ukrainian war was started as another means to funnel money out of our country to warmongering billionaires because we got pulled out of the middle east and they could no longer funnel money there. And please don't try to justify any of the genocide happening in the middle east currently do your best to stay on the right side of history, because if you support that war, just say HI to Satan for me when ya get where your going ill be chilling up top with the big man.

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u/Efficient_Loquat232 2h ago

I see death of school children is seen as a common mistake only in the US, but if other countries does it is war against humanity?

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u/Enough_Way_6719 11h ago

Nobody else chimed in on your comment so figured I would because honestly you’re right. Look at the Russia Ukraine war in the beginning and the tactics used by Putin to hide the true losses he was and has been taking seems oddly familiar… no help from our Ally’s because the one who started the war we are wrapped up in.. Bibi.. cough.. cough is an international war criminal. We no longer have enough munitions to launch a successful shoring or put foot’s on the ground without dwarfing the losses sustained in Vietnam. We’ve burned through our tomahawks like we’re burning through the national debt and we’ve won this war 200 times over but the straight is still Iranian controlled 🤦‍♂️

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u/LogicMan428 11h ago

Bibi is not any war criminal. Not in the slightest. In fact, the IDF should be applauded for the level of skill it has shown in this war in killing so few people. And nobody cares one bit about the Palestinians. They are just a prop used to bash Israel. That's why Hamas can terrorize and steal from them and no one cares, and Hezbollah can terrorize and mass murder Lebanese and Syrians and no one cares. People only feign outrage when Israel defends itself. The Ayatollah however was a major international war criminal, responsible for all manner of suffering in the Middle East.

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u/Enough_Way_6719 9h ago

Shouldn’t the war against the ones terrorizing and mass murder be waged against the ones terrorizing and mass murdering? By all standards The United States and Israel are both responsible for targeting and bombing civilian structures. You can try and say “but that’s where the groups headquarters are” but according to statistics in just the Iran war civilian casualties outweigh military casualties by 500 people they’re sending bombs in off decades old intel and rationalizing genocide. If the countries fighting “terrorism” are killing more innocents than “terrorists” how are we not creating terror.

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u/LogicMan428 7h ago

How is the war not against the ones terrorizing and committing mass murder? And yes, civilian structures have been hit. It's a war and unfortunately, given the way Hamas and the Iranian regime fight, there have been civilian areas hit. There is no rationalizing of genocide.

Israel can't just not do anything because civilians could get killed. Trump's continued fighting in Iran is questionable, however from a moral standpoint that regime absolutely needs to be destroyed. It is hellbent on destroying both the U.S. and Israel and is responsible for a massive amount of suffering, from gunning down and torturing its own citizens to causing a famine in Yemen via the Houthis to the suffering caused by Hamas to the Palestinians (which it funds, yes I know Israel technically created Hamas, but the Iranian regime funds it now) and the suffering caused by Hezbollah to the people of Lebanon and Syria, plus of course the suffering caused to the Israeli people by both of those entities. It also finances terrorism throughout the globe.

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u/Tinosdoggydaddy 13h ago

4 years, 6 months, 11 days

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u/T-T-N 13h ago

You're wrong. A day is now legally 1.5 million pi seconds. So we're only in the 4th day.

P.S. a year is a little over 1 million x 3.14 seconds

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u/Gargleblaster25 14h ago

I hope the Ukrainians get Belgorod and Kursk back as well.

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u/Aes_Should_Die 13h ago

They actually thought it would take less than a week. They thought the people would cheer their arrival.

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u/Huitzil37 13h ago

Putin's invasion of Ukraine is one of the greatest military blunders in modern history. He's utterly mulching manpower and materiel in exchange for nothing. He's so desperate he accepted malnourished incompetent North Korean troops who didn't speak or read Russian, can't use his weapons systems, and can't communicate with his command.

Putin has shown once again the fall of all authoritarian militaries: they fucking suck. When Dear Leader gets mad when you tell him what he doesn't want to hear and can't delegate military power for fear of a coup, then Dear Leader doesn't know how much military power he has or how he can employ it. Putin declared war so quickly that his own army was surprised, and only after the invasion started did he realize about 30% of his military didn't exist, and a bunch more of it was incompetent.

I've heard people say that "oh, this is all Bush's fault, the Iraq war taught him this was okay" amd no, no it didn't, this guy paid no attention whatsoever to Iraq. If he had, he'd have seen what a bad idea that was. He also annexed Crimea, which lit a fire under Ukraine's ass to modernize their military and get their shit together instead of being a corrupt post-Soviet disaster like Russia. Then, after giving Ukraine a bunch of time to get its shit together, he invaded again. It turned the annexation of Crimea from "a shameless act of imperialism that he completely got away with" to "shooting himself in the dick." Every decision Putin made was incorrect.

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u/FatuousDoorstop 13h ago edited 13h ago

I remember when George W. Bush and his advisors thought the Iraq war would be over in a few months. Nobody ever learns.

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u/cptnrandy 13h ago

Frankly, other than nukes, the Soviets, and then the Russians have NEVER been a superpower.

During the Cold War the Pentagon and the CIA/NSA knew that most of there naval fleet couldn’t leave the docks, and there other armaments were badly designed, built, and maintained. But the US government use them as the boogeyman so that they could spend outrageous sums and line the pockets of their buddies and themselves.*

*See Dwight Eisenhower.

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u/QuarterFantastic6134 13h ago edited 12h ago

Even for their nuclear arsenal an updated, realistic assessment of their abilities (AKA downwards) is in order.

Their wonder weapons like the Terminator and Kinzhal have proven to be quite mortal flops. Their powerful Moskva is now an underwater heritage site.

Would giggle to see the professional assessments being like 1/4 of the Russian military hardware is not up to the specs they advertise (because of contract kickbacks), 1/4 of hardware is not adequately maintained (because of stolen fuel/ammo/wiring sold off) and 1/4 of the hardware is staffed as far as NATO standards are concerned by too insufficiently trained personnel and/or too sufficiently drunk personnel preventing proper use. 😂

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u/PleasantCandidate785 11h ago

If Russia tried to use their nukes, I'd put money on about 50% or more failing to actually detonate. They'll just explode the conventional explosive parts of the warheads and crap nuclear material all over the place.

From a long term damage and cleanup perspective, that's probably worse than if they actually worked.

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u/QuarterFantastic6134 10h ago

… I hope they do that over Russian territory. Maybe literally in the silo due to failure to even launch or have their supposedly state-of-the-art delivery platform epically fail as has happened before in fairly modern times.

Get Kursk’d, Komsomolets’d or otherwise Killed with all friendly casualties.

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u/Mazer1415 12h ago

Sounds like the same thing the US is learning with Iran. One day they’re gonna figure out how to strike us. Neutral flag vessel parked in the Caribbean or Mexico with a shit ton of drones and there goes the world economy.

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u/OldPro1001 12h ago

Ukraine would have to regain Zaporizhia and the rest of Kherson to mostly get back to where they were before the invasion. I'd like to see them regain Luhansk, Donetsk and Crimea as well, but I'm not optimistic. At a minimum it would be nice to see them drop the Kerch Strait bridge.

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u/Waveofspring 11h ago

For sure. I personally dont expect much of a victory from Ukraine, but they’ve definitely done better than expected and I don’t see a Russian victory in the future either.

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u/jws1102 12h ago

If they’d been able to capture the Kiev airport the first night it may have only taken 2 weeks. But about 300 brave Ukrainian soldiers saved their whole country that night.

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u/TinkTink3 11h ago

I’d be ok if Ukraine turned Russia into Ukraine

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u/Professional_Army205 11h ago

This reminds me of another war where the aggressor thought it would be over in 1 month. 🫪

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u/rsten10 11h ago

Seems to be a lot of that going on with dictators attacking other countries!

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u/HoopyFroodJera 4h ago

It's kind of insane how humbled both Russia and the US have been recently.

They were considered untouchable and now both have been humiliated by countries far smaller than them.

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u/Single-Kangaroo1180 14h ago

With trumpstein at the helm…the US is no longer a superpower either 🤔

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u/RobJK80 14h ago

Trumps super power is syphoning money, so much so it generally breaks the donor entity beyond repair

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u/Waveofspring 13h ago

Trump can do all the corrupt BS he wants but it’ll never save russia from their degradation. That’s my opinion at least, maybe I’m wrong. But I doubt it.

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u/StormFast524 13h ago

Ukraine should be given all of Russia after this.

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u/productzilch 12h ago

Hard to argue that it could be managed much worse than it already is.

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u/sofixa11 13h ago

It’s even worse than that. Russia expected Ukraine to surrender on month 1 of the war. I remember many estimates assumed that Kyiv would fall within 2 weeks

Nah, half the column advancing on Kyiv was composed of Roosgvardia (riot police basically). And they were carrying parade uniforms and musical instruments with them. They couldn't have expected even a few days of fighting, or they wouldn't have carried that shit with them.

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u/Waveofspring 13h ago

That’s what I meant though. Russia was unprepared because they didn’t expect Ukraine to put up such a fight

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u/AI_Machine1 12h ago

Kind of like the US if seems.

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u/Waveofspring 11h ago

Yeah it’s starting to seem that invading foreign lands is no longer a smart war strategy for any country

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u/jupitaur9 12h ago

They are a superpower of misinformation. They never bring themselves higher, they just do everything they can to bring everyone else lower.

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u/Sloogs 12h ago

America looking awfully the same way these days too.

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u/Flat_Tire_Again 12h ago

And the Nukes might not even work as they don’t maintain anything! They are so vulnerable to takeover and losing all their resources!

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u/tweakingforjesus 11h ago

Putin’s mistake was invading a country that already knew what life under Soviet rule was like.

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u/we_cant_stop_here 11h ago

Russia has shown the world that their only true military asset is nukes.

I would somewhat disagree with that. Russia breaking the Budapest Memorandum made it a pariah. But Trump's USA breaking of the Budapest Memorandum, specifically articles 1 and 3, is making it where USA is now on board with Russia. Trump's USA grabbing of Venezuela, and threats of annexation of Canada, Greenland, Cuba, et al are further enabling a world where those with nukes can do whatever they want without any checks. China is apparently okay with all of this because they want to grab Taiwan. India, Pakistan, North Korea have territorial aspirations too.

TL;DR: Police has joined hands with the mafia.

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u/ALTH0X 11h ago

I thought it was 3 days instead of 2 weeks

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u/The_True_Gaffe 11h ago

Not one month, they expected to take Kiev in a day and the country to fold into them within two more. They fully believed it was going to be a three day operation, 5 years later has shown the entire world just how weak and useless the once actually scary Russia is

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u/Lostmyother_username 10h ago

Just like trump thought Iran would lol

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u/psychonik 8h ago

They never intended it for it be over that quickly. They just say that so they’ll be more support to initiate it. War means money. Trump is doing the same with Iran. Every time gas prices start to fall Trump announces a new military strike.

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u/Realistic-Stop8518 8h ago

I hope Ukraine ends up with whatever additional territory from Russia that it wants

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u/StreetofChimes 7h ago

I want to know what additional land Ukraine is going to get. Like yes, of course their own borders, but what concession land is Russia coughing up? 

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u/Dense_Amphibian_9595 5h ago

Month 1? Their battle plans called for a 3 day taking of Kiev. They didn’t have supplies (food/fuel) beyond three days which caused their entire war plan to collapse by day 4.

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u/chrismceachern 4h ago

In the future when they write about WW3, which has basically already started, they will quote the beginning of the war in Ukraine as one of the catalysts. By the time its all over, the casualties will be incomprehensible.

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u/Electrohead777 4h ago

Can we be honest and admit that Ukraine WOULD have fallen if it weren't for everyone else supporting/supplying them? And (honestly) worse yet, them (or someone else) figuring out drone warfare, which I'm confident will be more bad than good for the rest of the world in the long run.

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u/No_Art2020 4h ago

Crimea and Donbass are russian... And will remain russian as the natives there literally vuted to be a part of Russia IIRC, "Russia has shown us that their only true military asset are nukes" The American cannot be saying this 😭😭, Also are we looking at the same war map?

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u/Ok-Relief-462 3h ago

Putin: “We just need to invade and the whole rotten nation will collapse”

Everyone who’s ever seen a WW2 documentary: “Hey, hey I’ve seen this one before, this is a classic!”

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u/rubberpp 16h ago

They are silly controlling and draining the United States they're still unfortunately a super power

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u/ImportantFlounder114 12h ago

The Russians have performed as well against the Ukrainians as we have against the Iranians. 80-90% of casualties are FPV drone related. Large, expensive battle platforms don't matter anymore. Neither does your LMGAS (Marines understand). Scores of videos online profile soldiers dumping mags at a drone they can't hit before they are blown to smithereens.

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u/darthcaedusiiii 12h ago

Iran: heavy breathing

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u/GuildOfTorturers 13h ago

Ukraine would have fallen without US support lmao. You should not take this as a sign Russia is weak militarily.

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u/Waveofspring 13h ago

Of course Ukraine needed foreign support. They would’ve toppled within weeks without it. But Russia is supposed to be #2 or at the very least #3 in terms of military strength.

Russia’s failure is more than just US support. Their economy was reliant on western relations, their troop morale was reliant on government propaganda, and their strategies were ass. Leadership is a complete mess and Putin’s ratings are at rock bottom.